I would like for Caesar's Legion to makes it's way to the Common Wealth. My idea for a good "howdy" would be a full on assault on sanctuary. Give me three in game days of non stop defense, where after every attack I have to go out and rebuild turrets, reset traps, maybe fix a structure or two, and even provide medical aid to my settlers. You can sleep and wait but if you leave at all during the three days you can potentially lose a random companion, hopefully piper. I want to feel the desperation of me slowly losing building material and other supplies like ammo, of course if your a high level this shouldn't be an issue but it still be cool. After you defend your self I'm sure CL will respect your strength and it would be cool to have a random encounter with a messenger, like Vulpes, commending your strength. Maybe bring back the faction reputation scale we had for New Vegas.

Side note, bring back death claws nests/packs. I came to the wasteland to fight the strongest enemies.

I don't see any reason for Caesar's Legion to move that far east considering to them they basically own the east across the Colorado river, which brought their focus west with their campaign against the NCR. And of course, we don't know of what happened to them after the second battle of Hoover Dam, or if Caesar is even alive. The Legion's collapse is practically inevitable when Caesar dies.

And honestly, we don't need to drag over every single faction from the west for the sake of cool every time we run out of ideas.

not to mention Caesar is dead and the legion collapsed into raider gangs.

okay okay fine yes I ignored the lore for the sake of a cool encounter, but deathclaws man, I WANT to be afraid of fighting them, I want to have sweaty palms when I see a nest. Just me I guess

So basically you want a defend the fort DLC. Would be better and more easily handled by a mod

They would to fight the BoS to even get to Boston . I say keep them and the NCR on the west coast.

A large legion presence the Boston area? No I am not for that.

But Bethesda could do something with a single Legion member along the lines of Kellogg.

We know the Legion have some tough people working for them. We know the Legion send out scouts. The Institute likes to send androids out to infiltrate different groups.

So maybe a Legion scouting group that was end east ran into a group infiltrated by the Institute going West. :shurg:

Still it would be a stretch but people from the West have a way of ending up in the east.

What part of the legion no longer exists do you struggle with?

If the Legion were strong enough to fight their way to Boston in a mere 4-5 years......the SS would be merely a speed bump if they tried to defend a settlement from them.

actually, I don't think he's saying that. Unless I misread his post, he just wants waves of Cesar's legions attacking you at sanctuary. It's a mechanic that shows up in a lot of game where you have to outlast a timer. HL2 did it where you would use turrets to fight off waves of combine, and DXHR did it with the helicopter crash/landing. Never liked it myself, but Iguess a lot of people do. In that setting I don't think it matters if it were the legion, muties, ghouls, or whatever. It's not story driven, doesn't even need one

While I think the Legion showing up in The Commonwealth would stretch one's ability to suspend disbelief beyond the breaking point, I hadn't heard that the Legion's destruction was official canon.

We don't know if the Legion are gone. We don't know who won the second Battle of Hoover Dam. We don't know if Caesar actually died of his brain cancer or not. I would say there is a strong chance that the Legion ending isn't going to be the canon ending but we don't know for use. We also don't know for sure that the Legion will fall apart if they lose and Caesar dies. We do have a lot of speculation in game that that is what will happen but again we don't know for sure.

Well to have waves of Legion attacking would require a large Legion presence in the area. I think that would not be a good thing and not a likely thing to happen.

While I think the Legion being in the Commonwealth is a bit far fetched, I think it would be sort of cool to see them again. I have this scenario in my head where the BOS and Enclave are given the opportunity to form an alliance to defeat the Legion on its northeastern front trying to push through the Midwest. That would be an epic battle.

lol enclave now? why not the chinese?

*deploys tactical nuke to destory the Legion presence and kill all raider spawns in that area for next few ingame days*

not really, cause its not part any story. It has nothing to do with the base game, or or the FO universe. It's just an opponent he chose for casing u to defend sanctuary. Heck, you could just say they aren't in Boston, they're just masses outside sanctuary and just got there. For the purpose he wants, its irrelevant

The Chinese main invasion force was in Alaska with smaller special ops conducted throughout the mainland while it's known the Enclave has/had outposts throughout the Midwest and other parts of the US. So, no I'm not just picking random ideas out of thin air. The idea would actually make sense lore-wise.

enclave no longer exists by the end of nv

It's hinted they still exist in Chicago.

ED-E's programming contained a message saying that any repairs needed on the way were to be made by http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/ChicagoEnclave personnel, indicating that there are Enclave outposts there. ^{http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave#cite_note-ED-E-23} The http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Midwest_Commonwealth license plate bolted to ED-E's side is just one more fact that supports the idea that other Enclave outposts or holdings still exist elsewhere within the North American Wasteland. ^{http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave#cite_note-24http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave#cite_note-Lonesome_Road_dialogue-1 http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave#cite_note-Fallout_Bible_6_excerpt_Dr._Henry_used_to_work_with_the_Enclave_cyber-genetic_research_program_at_the_Poseidon_oil_rig_and_.27.27.27at_various_other_Enclave_installations.27.27.27-2}

^{http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave}

It is my sincere hope that canon tells us that Caesar's Legion vanished after the Courier put Caesar down with a bullet to the face, nuked Legion territory after confronting Ulysses in the Divide and rallied the forces that humiliated what remained of the Legion at Hoover Dam.

To be honest, i think this is why fallout new vegas was set in the year it was and the place it is (even though that was van burens intentions anyway) to avoid cannon confliction with fallout 4. I'd assume it was basically "yeah, go nuts but dont **** with the cannon of our next game"


I highly doubt we'll ever get confirmation of which side the courier chose.

The only thing we have to go off is the ace of spades symbol on the special jacket the courier recieves at the end of the lonesome road DLC in the ending cutscene, which was the one you got for freeing vegas - that ending basically sent the NCR back to their territory, cut off the entirety of the legions command and house was killed off for his robots.


So.. No DLC for caesars legion.. I mean, bethesda didnt even put them into the fallout universe. Id say making DLC on them is a step back for the series.


Move forward, lets see what crazy tech and mutants the commonwealth has to offer.

Not to get into another debate about the Enclave. But we don't know for sure if they are still in Chicago. Sure he was sent there to meet up with Enclave in Chicago but we don't know if he encountered anyone there.

After all if he did encounter Enclave there they would have done more to fix him up then stick a license plate on him. He was programmed to go to Navarro with Chicago as a stop. It is possible that after whoever fixed him up in Chicago or if he made it to the city at all, he simply carried on with his main objective to get to Navarro.

Dr. Whitley didn't know Navarro was destroyed by the NCR and he didn't tell Ed-E to make contact with anyone specific in Chicago. Which suggests he was just throwing a Hail Mary with Ed-E.

Still the Chicago area has many unanswered questions so it would be great to have a game take us there. I want to know about the Midwestern Brotherhood.

Perhaps the Institute infiltrates the Legion? Makes synths of a scout team and sends them back, its discovered what they are. The Legion command, realizing the danger that these beings pose, send a detachment East to eradicate the Institute in the Commonwealth. Small group of the elite, their goal would be to build an operating base and essentially start a more Eastern branch of the Legion. Hire recruits, establish supply routes etc.

Kind of like what Lyon's did with the Eastern Chapter of the Brotherhood

Ceaser and the Legion are very opposed to robots based off of dialog from NV, they hold the idea that robotic labor/soldiers make people weak. The idea of a synthetic human that can look like anyone would be a terrifying concept to them and one that would have to be dealt with.

I'd rather Bethesda play with its own toys rather than yanking things from the West Coast.

They already transplanted the Enclave, Brotherhood of Steel, Harold, and Super Mutants. Do we really need the East and West coasts to be more homogenous?

You're right, we don't know. It could be completely wiped out. It could be a base. It could be a vault completely cut off from the outside, but the fact that its mentioned in lore allows the potential for them to return in one way or another.