So Im gona do an NCR playthrough and am wondering if it makes sense to live in the Lucky 38. Why would house want an ncr supporter living below him who is trying to take vegas from him, and why would i want someone trying to take vegas away from me living above me? Anyone else think about this or am i just over thinking it?

Who cares if it makes sense. If it works for you then do it.

Well, if you're into in-depth roleplaying, then no, after a certain point it doesn't make sense (tho later, it might feel like you could "make sense" of reoccupying it). But other than that, go for it.

I never liked using the 38 for storage, tho. Too many loading screens etc. just to grab a quick something when you want it. Can't stand having to talk to Victor/the elevator all the time. Plus all the potential bugs....I know they patched them but still...y'never know. Novac room or any of the "shacks" that aren't too far from a fast travel spot were my preference. I liked having a spot that felt more like "my home" for a wasteland traveler vs. a fancy rented room.

Well i use the shacks when im out in the wastes i like to use somewhere on the strip as a main base where i can kick back maybe see a couple shows and figure out whats next

Then kill Mr.House whats the big deal. I have done it on all my gameplays except my first one (the old days when i was still a House fanatic).

Of course it makes sense.
He gives you the apartment. Whatever happens, it's in your name.
Most of the time your secret plans stay secret, if they're against him.
When you kill him, it's just claiming his territory when you take the rest of the building, in additon to what was yours anyway.

And who cares, it's awesome, the best housing in the vanilla game.
Why would anyone turn down a big, free luxury suite, just because they're working for someone else?
Plot away, in luxury, who would'nt do that.

To the victor go the spoils.

Novac's still my main pad, though. Just wish there was a way to bring it into the NCR fold.

I use the belief in keeping your friends close and your enemies even closer as a great mutual reason for you both to be that close. I never did the House angle but had the paranoia he'd eventually force my brain into a robotron under his control someday. I always figured I should get him before he got me.

He doesnt act against you, he actually rewards the courier richly in the end if u pick him, but granted he is paranoid. I did pick him in my first playthrough, but he did ruin Primm (taxes) and kill the Kings, and all i did was let them be peaceful with NCR.

Well im with NCR and im thinking blowing up his bunker is in its best interests so what then aren't the securitrons hostile?

BLOW UP THE BUNKER!!! SIR I DISAPPROVE. Im sure NCR could find use for a HUGE FREAKING ARMY of securitrons, with more firepower then 5 rangers combined.

That's because you made Primm surrender to NCR, which let NCR expand into House's territory. The Kings died because you helped them let NCR gain influence in Freeside, which isn't helpful to House. They may have suffered punishment by House, but you sealed their fate.

Ya but there's no option to give it to them, which is weird cuz that would be something i would mention to crocker. But im thinking of activating it and delivering the chip but then saying i don't want to work for house and he's just lets me live in the suit as a sign of gratitude for completing the job.

When you kill House the entire Casino is yours to do as you please. Apparently no one is allowed in even though House is dead.

Wait, since when was Primm House's territory? His de jure sovereignty (as defined by the Treaty of New Vegas) really only recognizes his sovereignty to The Strip, which is also jointly administered by the NCR, and he really dosen't have a whole lot of de facto control over the outlying territories. The Mojave only really becomes "House's territory" if you back him at the end, as far as I know.

House... is a dike.

I realize that, but the NCR didnt gain that much influence they merely made a deal with the Kings to cease violence and instead would get supplies electricity and stuff. The kings didnt let the NCR roll around with their guns and soldiers making Freeside a part of NCR its stupid. nothing of this justifies making the lifes of those people as [censored] miserable as humanily possible, or kill them even. Its stupid, disagree if u like but then u clearly dont have a hearth. (ROBOTZ)
All of this proves everything i have been trying to say in this thread. thanks guys for ur support

Ok, so I like the Lucky 38, because I can gather all my companions there. Plus, if House wants to give me a free luxury suite, why not take advantage of it. I owe House nothing, he makes me run around for him, he better pay up.

Oh and yea, I chose his side the first time around and killing the Kings? WTF I found a peaceful solution to a problem and he has to kill them? Pissed me off and I thought it was utterly senseless. So now, I'm working independently (or NCR we'll see), but shriveled up House needs to go!

excactly as i thought, but NCR are really some douches, i had to find that out the hard way... Dont get me wrong, they got alot of good people. Its just that they make you a part of them weither you like it or not (talking about freedom). So i say pick independent and help the people. You are not doing any good if you are running around supporting a massive army trying to invade the region you are in, rather do what the people tell you too do. Mostly everyone wants Vegas to remain independent, so why shouldnt you let them?

I love the Lucky 38. House is just a tyrant. Kill him and take his land.

Very few people have hearths these days, few enough people have real fireplaces.

The NCR did get much more influence in Freeside by making peace with the Kings, having a place of NCR sympathy so close to the Strip is a direct threat to House so he must stamp it out by whatever means he can. The only person at fault for the suffering of Freeside is the Courier for letting the NCR keep a foothold so close to the Strip.

Yea, I hear ya, R.J., I am really pulled towards the Independent side, so I guess that's what I'll do. I do have a high rep on the Strip and with the NCR. I can't help it, I just am a nice person and try to help out where I can LOL I guess I need to be more selfish now and so things MY way hahahaha

yeah excactly what i thought, New Vegas aint the same as fallout 3, so you gotta do some bad things to get a good outcome.

Once i say the blood aint on my hands. Its stupid to kill the Kings to hurt the NCR they are in peace with them, not some NCR fanatics svcking NCR′s dike. They even lean towards a Indy Vegas cause thats what they support, so House′s attack on them is stupid.

The Kings made peace with the NCR instead of trying to drive them out, House cannot let any NCR sympathy survive so close to the Strip. The entire reason why the Kings and the NCR are making peace is because of the Courier. Of course House would react the way he does.

Yes, how dare they accept help from anyone when their people are wallowing in poverty and starvation. North Korea gets food aid from a lot of places that hate their guts, it's not so much about influence (how much influence has the US or S. Korea gotten from sending food aid? Nada, zip, zero), but because it is immoral to let people starve because their government is incompetent and completely incapable of providing the most basic of services. That said, if House considers Freeside "his territory" then he should accept the responsibility that comes with control. (which he does not legally have, by the way, according to the Treaty of New Vegas) Otherwise, the Kings and Freeside as a whole don't really have to do squat for him. Why should they be obligated to kill the people who are trying to help them for a man no one has ever seen who hides behind television screens Big Brother-style?