Nothing in New Vegas is linear, heck thats the reason why the Devs put Deathclaws north of Goodsprings to prevent you from getting to New Vegas too early. They didn't want to break the game immediately.

...right, instead of just making it impossible. but it's still VERY possible to get through that area without getting killed, or even be strong enough to fight them directly with some creativity.

The deathclaws are easy to get past just use a couple stealth boys and then find a location thats netural where you won't get killed :celebration:

or you can just go east along the mountain, where the biggest opposition you'll find are fire gecko's, avoiding the deathclaws, OR



theres plenty of ways to get to NV early on.

and the NCR won't let you get through to NV on the monorail without some reputation, so you have to steal an outfit of their faction and they'll let you through.

erm... so instead of letting you just wander up to Vegas straight out of the Docs, they put walls and deathclaws and direct you in the other direction. Which directs you to Primm. Who direct you to... the scenic route into Vegas

Not complaining, because I'm enjoying the quests so far. But it is no different to the "where did my Dad go" general push in FO3 (so far anyway)

Tried that. Got fairly far, but deathclaws had the whole area covered.

I didn't make it out.

It's linear when they remove routes from you, through the use of Invisible Walls. I tried to take the direct path from Novac to Cottonwood Cove. Physically impossible not because of the terrain (which could be crossed easily without the use of glitches), but instead have massive Invisible Walls in the way. You either go East then South, or South then East. But not South East. Sounds linear to me.

What was that you said? Something about not noticing until you and your friend talked?

Yeah, that's what's known as good design: when writers and developers are able to know that all the gamers have the same feeling, and therefore are able to expend the most effort on certain important set-pieces, without you noticing that they are doing this.

So what if it's linear to some extent? Linear games that do not appear linear are often better than true sandbox games.

Fallout: NV originally felt a bit linear starting out, but not so much. Once I killed Benny I started roaming around on my own accord. I don't see much of a problem with the invisible walls, they can be irritating when approaching a path that seems do-able and then the wall stops ya. But I've taken routes in the Cottonwood area that shouldn't have been possible, walking across a mountain with a grade so steep it would be impossible to stand on. :/

you know being almost forced to do the main quest wouldnt be so bad if the game didnt just ...you know... END once it was over. It's not like you can just go create a new character and start exploring again.

Another thing, which I forgot, is the argument of leveling vs. non-leveling enemies.

I feel that the best solution is to provide enemies that level slightly (so that fights don't get boring after a while) but still fill some areas with ludicrously tough enemies. Then, make it possible to escape from death by running away: for example, maybe enough bullets fired at a lizard, while you go in an opposite direction will cause it to change its mind about eating you. Avoid players abusing this feature by only allowing you to escape once: i.e. enemy pursuit tapers off the first time you run away, but not the second time.

This would even have the added benefit of creating tension: since you are commonly found running for your life.

To be honest, only people who don't pay attention end up having to "learn by dying." The dangerous road north is clearly marked, what with a guy who comes up and warns you not to go that way, plus later on the huge "WARNING: DEATHCLAWS" sign. The townsfolk in various towns will also tell you about how dangerous the wasteland is, if you ask.



Heaven forbid that a game's story has an actual end. But hey, if you're on the PC, you can always use the "freeplay after the end" mod that was recently released.

Well considering theres literally no reason for the game to end ...yea I'd say it's an issue. But thanks for letting me know theres now a mod! Now I dont need to worry about it anymore =]

Veteran Fallout players should have no problem with it. If you took the wrong path or wrong choice in the old Fallouts you got pwned too. The only ones who probably have a problem with it are FO3/Oblivion [censored] who are used to scaled enemies.




That being said, I can't believe people complain about going back into an old starting area and don't find tough enemies. This game actually gives you a sense of PROGRESSION; you get more powerful and outgun the old bad guys and move onto the more powerful ones. It's fun to go back and stir up the Powder Gangers every once in a while just for fun.

This game gives you an actual sense of DANGER when you go out and explore the world: which there should be. Games that scale enemies are taking away all the sense of adventure and accomplishment that comes from clearing the more difficult areas. I found Fallout 3 to be insanely boring because I could always kill everything regardless of my level... It was too easy. This game provides me with a sense of danger when exploring the world, you gotta watch your back or else you'll end up dead.



Also, this game setting is significantly more detailed. The setting is a HUGE upgrade compared to FO3's blandness.

No more linear than Fallout 3.

Those damn irritating foyadas....

It feels linear, but it actually isn't at all, which I love. :fallout: Anything I do feels like the Devs scripted it that way.

People need to play some old school RPG's like Might and Magic and Wizardry.

Of course. If your character is Level 8, and has 57% Guns skill, then you can just go and hold the curser over a MOB and tell that one shot will reduce its hitpoints by either four notches, or only two...

Heaven forbid such incredible immersion would be "killed" by getting a head's up about which areas are too boring to bother with; potentially doable; or instant death.

The only thing more irritating than being stuck in a maze is being stuck in an invisble maze.

If they want to make it linear, then they can make it linear. And if they have a hard time making intended geographic obstacles look realistic, that's fine too. I'm not asking anybody to do extra work. All I want is for designers to be less intentionlly annoying.

Think about it: if you were drawing your own map, the FIRST thing you would put on it is an indication of what areas are impassible. If you were in a hurry, you might not even put anything else on it.

But all this game gives you is a fuzzy mess. Why?

Linear? No.

I am level 14 and I still have not actually entered the Strip. I cracked Vault 3 and Vault 34, slaughtered the Powder Gangers in their "safe" little hole, been over most of the Southern and middle portions of the map (I've mapped 52 locations). Doing side quests for Crimson Caravan company right now. NCR loves me, a certain group of ghouls loves me. And all this, I simply stumbled across it while free roaming.

Did I mention I still haven't set foot onto the Strip?

Linear? Absolutely not.

NV is far less linear then FO3 in every way. The quests alone are 100x less linear, and shallow. After playing this game for a few days. I completely understand now what people were saying about fallout 3 being to empty in just about every aspect. I put probably 4000 hours into FO3, and I loved it, but lets be honest the quest were just lame in comparison to this game.

no

The terrain certainly looks more linear...but I have nothing against that. It also feels tremendously bigger because the map isn't a big plain. When I do come across a dusty open plain, you know the ones that blow with sandstorms? I feel like I should head back into the rocky side-slopes of the desert. One of my biggest issues with fallout 3 was the fact that it was very flat at times, with the occasional building or radio tower. This game has all kinds of crevices, craters and caves waiting for you to stumble upon.

I haven't run into any collision boxes yet. I've had 1 small bug and one major bug, which was fixed using console commands (they're generally the same as Oblivion and Fallout 3).

I've clocked easily over 20 hours already too.

Wizardry. Ah, the joy of getting that infernal Blue Ribbon. Or trying to build a Lord with respectable stats. Finding Blade Cuisinarts. Mapping those tunnels :banghead:

Oh yes. If kids had to play those nowadays, the outrage would be... immeasurable.

Another favorite was Dragon Warrior (NES, anybody?). Talk about being restricted to certain zones! You couldn't go more than, like, twenty steps from Tantegal Castle in the beginning before you got your [censored] handed to you. Oh, the joy. Grind. Explore. Die. Grind some more. Try exploring again. Explore a little more. Die. Grind. Repeat.

Damn I'm old.