It's quite evident that the removal of levitation was... in some way, for gameplay's sake, not for lore.

Same with spears. You can suppose that they can make spears, as they are very easy to make.

where?

@jagar tharn....... if necromancers can keep necromancing alive and well i would think that some mages somewhere woudl think that a spell that let you fly might be useful someday again. not to mention you dont forget magic spells. they are with you forever and ever and ever.......unless you have a spell delete mod of course. and some races live hundres of years or longer davyth fyr was thousands of years old if i remember.

Yeah, just because we couldn't marry before, doesn't mean Marriage was invented in those 200 years after Oblivion lol

I'd say the Arcane University lost it's funding when the empire fell,
And seeing as magic didn't help the working class, no-one would have seen the benefits of letting the wizards continue research.



It's an example of suspension of logic, the game-world isn't a real world, it can't make 100% sense the whole time

Progress was constantly being made until the Dark Ages were braught on by religion. If the Dark Ages never happened we would probably be 200 years ahead of where we are right now.

Rome stagnated due to their dependence on slavery. Most of the development done during the Middle Ages was in the Middle East (who still had slaves).

Actually, the Dark Ages were brought about largely by barbarians sacking the declining roman empire and european groups migrating.

And Romes 'progress' was mainly due to them plundering knowledge rather than developing it.

Do the Carolingians ring any bell?

As for nations being poor, they had enough cash to throw it at the Vikings on more than one occasion, deciding that was less of a loss than having them burn a town or engaging them in battle. The High Middle Ages didn't arrive from nothing. They build upon earlier developments like anyone else. In fact, a lot of those you call "petty kingdoms" (some of them covering territories larger than today's nations) were engaged in an "imitatio imperii", i.e. they were striving to be just like the roman empire. Some even worked towards what they called a "restauratio imperii", a restoration of the empire, obviously with them at the top. Which in the end led to Charlemagne having himself crowned emperor, and some successors later that empire being called "(Holy) Roman Empire".

What people forget is that Rome itself had long been a shadow of its former self, lodged in civil wars. Some of the cities in Germania were actually in a better shape, coming from the fact that e.g. Trier had been a capitol of the empire for some time. The roman infrastructure in Cologne was still used by the Merovingians. In fact, the infrastructure remained largely standing until the Vikings burnt down the city in the 9th century, the same fate that befell Trier. However, some parts of the roman structures there survived even later and the imperial baths in Trier were later integrated into the city fortifications when the Roman line of fortifications had become indefensible for lack of citizens. The water supply was still working, as evidenced by weavers' street and tanners' street in the vicinity.

Woah, South America? Hey man, watch out for those hasty generalizations, ok? I'm from the largest country in SA (the only non-Spanish speaking one besides French Guyana, Guyana and Suriname) and I'm pretty sure that we also have Internet, electricity, indoor plumbing. And I'm pretty sure that many countries in Africa have that as well, so watch those generalizations... :disguise:

One nation having exorbinant amounts of money usually means the other regions were poor, and the real continuation of Rome was the Byzantines, the Holy Roman Empire was a bunch of Germans trying to relive the dream

The Fall of Rome refers to that entire declining period, not just when the capitol was ransacked

The Holy Roman Empire wasn't none of the things it called itself. You know the Byzantine Empire? It was called "The Roman Empire" back then, even though Rome was no longer it capital (or part of the Empire). Byzantine Empire is a name used by historians to separate it from the original Roman Empire and the Western one, which collapsed.

And of course they would try to emulate Rome. And size doesn't mean it's good. The cities still looked like large towns compared to Rome during the Empire and Byzantine and Middle Eastern cities. They also lacked the funds for an army. Instead, they gave farmers shields, sharped farming axes, and spears. No armor, bad training, and only the rich could afford swords.

IIRC, less then 1% of the population was literate. This is compared to the Middle East, which (I think) was 10% (at least.) A large amount of the education in the High Middle Ages came from information in the Middle East.

i was actually referring to the indigenous tribes that still exist in SA and Africa. and you forgot belize, official language english. also, how can you be "pretty sure" that you have internet, indoor plumbing and electricity.......if i was missing any of those i would know it immediately. :rofl:

I doubt liches would appreciate a bunch of apprentices pestering them all the time

Byzantine was the western Roman Empire, the Eastern half was dissolved because Rome basically buckled under it's own weight.

And I find it interesting that the major mathematical advances for Europe didn't come until they "stole" the number zero during the crusades

Don't really understand what this topic is about, it seems irrelevent, are you saying you want guns and cannons and electricity in Elder scrolls games; if so that will not go down well with the forum.

no, i was asking the question whether or not having magic so readily available to nirnians was actually holding them back. i was using modern day weapons as examples of how easy it would be for us to defeat alduin but since nirnians dont apparently progress as fast they still have difficulty with them.

@some random lore dude............is there an actual timeline of when nirn was created and the whole sun tearing thing happened and how long ago that was before the events of skyrim?

I'm also from Brazil and I'm afraid to tell you that almost all indigenous tribes in the Amazon have internet and computers promoted by the government:

http://blogs.estadao.com.br/jt-seu-bolso/files/2010/08/indios-internet.JPG

Much of Byzantine was in Greece (which is East of Italy) and the surrounding areas, until it was gradually (over a long time) by Middle Eastern kingdoms and Empires. And the Turks.

i cant read that. looks like its in spanish.

Portuguese.

oh thats right i forgot they dont like spanish. i dont blame them i took it for three years and i dont remember any of it except for bano and leche. at least i can ask for bathrooms and milk.

Belize technically is in "Central America" (even though it's no longer considered a continent of its own) and the "pretty sure" was a bit of sarcasm on my part. Anyways, I now understand your point. :biggrin:

That was just before it basically collapsed, at it's height (other than being in the Roman Empire) it contained Italy, Northern Africa, Modern day Turkey and southern Spain

http://www.travellinkturkey.com/images/byzantine_empire.jpg

They... don't like it? Well, they speak Portuguese because there were Portuguese colonizers... or at least I think so. :confused:

By the way, it's ba?o... though I know that it can't be written in other keyboards.

and in my pirate video game the portuguese and spaniards did not get along. imagine hating someone so much that you change some of the words up in you own language just so you can say that you dont speak the same one as them. thats why people in the south talk like they do.......cause they didnt want to sound like yankees........at least thats my theory.

i cant to the curvy thing over my n.

Then they lost most of that territory rather quickly.