Dont want to start a war against Enclave supporters, but, for some reason their goals are, well, a little similar to another evil faction.... what do you think???

Yes, the Enclave seem to resemble the Nazi's. Welcome to the club, glad you could finally make it.

Moving on, nothing new here folks.

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Yes, but I never want to talk about it, just because I think that maybe can be offensive

No need to be a douch...

They are not like Nazis, they are fascists.

Well they kill those they believe are not pure so...

Nazis aren't anything new.

The Enclave is the cliche 'Big Brother' entity from before the war. Before the War it was a government conspiracy, Post War it is as we know it now, a xenophobic group of people with a love of advanced pre-war tech and power armor, and have a habit of using energy weapons and brute force. Hmmmm, reminds me of another certian faction. :spotted owl:

He is definantly talking about Reily's Rangers!

They are modelled on the British Government.

Yes the Enclave is similar to Nazis in some ways (Enclave officer uniforms for example) are they Nazis? NO. By supporting the Enclave does that make me a Nazi-lover? NO. Most likely the Enclave would hate Nazis too (as I do).

The reasoning behind making the Enclave look similar to such a destistable group is that it plays at the traditional American fear of "big government" and the Nazi regime represents the worst nightmares of a "government gone bad" and putting something slightly similar to them in the form of the government of America is supposed to say "hey wake up! this is what America could be!" and make someone uncomfortable when playing Fallout about identifying with the Enclave.

Does that disuade me or anyone from supporting the Enclave? NO. YA HEAR THAT BETHESDA/ ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS! I"M NOT FALLING FOR YOU'RE SHENANIGANS!! I support the Enclave no matter what and in conclusion:

God Bless America, God Bless the Enclave

Just on a side note: Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcQvkCNcE0 which is on youtube (its the Washington Post March). I find it funny that the highest rated comment on a video that shows a traditional American march, and is not associated with Fallout (the video that is, the song is in the game though), is "Its the Enclave!" :tongue:

Really? They remind me of those 1800's military uniforms with the double-briasted coats.

I was thinking condederate uniforms.

It's always "pure", like their intentional racists or something, in all likeliness the people after the bombs are quite disimilar from humans, maybe there's a higher rate of infant mortality, or people being born with deformaties, dwarfism seemed common in the earlier Fallouts (back before 3D modelling and animation, lazy people...), slight genetic mutations which have been passed down through the ages. The Enclave want to rebuild, not conquer, they aren't "racists", they are literally some of the last true human beings left alive. Now, I'm not a nazi, but it doesn't meen I can't defend the Enclave right? I hate stock characters and the Enclave aren't just bad for the sake of being bad and racist for the sake of it.

EDIT: The Enclave uniform, or at least the hat, were based on the Imperial Storm Trooper Officers, who were of coruse based on the nazis.

I suppose they can be seen many different ways and I would rather they been associated with either or those than with Nazis....

but I remember reading somewhere that the officer uniforms were based of the "star wars" officer uniforms for the "Empire" in that movie series (early ones) and the Nazi officer uniforms in WWII (which the star wars uniforms were also based off I think).

Edit: The Enclave beat me to it. Glad that I wasn't just hallucinating cause I can't find where I read that... :tongue:

Well, the Nazis, for all their flaws, you have to admit, they were pretty snazzy dressers.

Indeed, they also had pretty damn awesome mustaches.
Though just to say, not all the Nazi's supported.. Hitler and the holocaust.

I know, those uniforms, maybe it's just the stigma but they scream evil. The greys, blacks and occasional greens could make one uniform look meanecing one minute and regal the next.

Its almost as if Hitler was following the stereotypical "bad guy" dress code....

Or that he invented it... one good thing to come out of the war? Movie villian would look awesome for the next 80 years!

haha true

As Colonel Martyr pointed out they are more like "Big Brother." They hide in the shadows and pull strings. They don't march in the streets holding rallies. They still believe in democracy, at least up to the events of FO2 they did. Seeing as how they have "presidents."

This is going to sound like FO3 bashing but the Enclave just looked stupid in FO3. Their plan was just a knock off of the plan they had in FO2 but insted of airborn it would be water born Modded FEV. Which would not kill the whole world and the whole things came down to "I hope the Lone Wanderer will help in are evil plot :cookie: ."

They were better when they were in the shadows and not out in the open trying to take over the wasteland with Giant mobile land bases imo.

Also I don't the forum likes topics about Nazis

yeah I kinda agree with that (I still think the Enclave in Fallout 3 look kinda cool). I like the beginning of the game when they're hold up in Raven Rock and their broadcasts and eyebot scouts are the only things that you see/hear of them.

Yeah let's not get into that old boy, bash that [censored] as much as you like here. Fallout 3 turned the US Army, the supposed most technologically advanced faction in Fallout (except for the Commonwealth, why do people want that?!?) just flung it's troops at Optimus Prime and it's vertibirds which it had millions of, [censored] Fallout 3. At least because of it we now have a possible base in Chicago, maybe, Fallout 3 actually allowed the Enclave to survive?

In some ways I think it did. It may have brought them back sorta illogically (since they had suffered such a huge defeat in Fallout 2) but it did bring them back into the gaming series. Had Bethesda not included them in the game I'm not sure they'd get as much support as they do now (maybe among the Falllout Community but certainly not in the larger gaming world) and they're might not have ever been a reference to them beyond dialouge in a game again.

I love all fallout factions because they pay me lots of caps to be an errand boy.