West Tek invented FEV, and it is extremely dangerous to transport, it got spread into the atmosphere when it got hit.

(hmmmm, gives me a hypothesis about Eden's Modified FEV, and the general spread of FEV in the population for the last 200 years, i need to work on this theory.....) :unsure:

So it's logical that it's not been moved to Mariposa in this case, yet V87, the sole source of muties in DC, is illogical? Yes West-Tek invented it, but considering it was already at Mariposa shows it wasn't as dangerous as Mako is claiming. Now, I can argue that it's plausible to wonder WHY FEV is in D.C. , but we can't say it is illogical to have FEV in D.C. , it's just poorely written in why beyond 'Government Secret'.

Which brings us back to the split in Fallout fandom. Half of the arguing we do about lore (game play's another thing) would have been preemptively squashed had Beth's writers just added a few lines of dialogue (or a terminal entry or two) clarifying stuff like this.
Have they met us? :biggrin:
Don't they know by now how dumb we game fans are about stuff like this? Half of us will brook no additions, amendments or modifications to canon whatsoever, half of us accept what we see and weave wacky, improbable scenarios to try to explain everything and the third half -- the lucky ones -- weren't paying attention and would rather complain about guns.
Holy Cow. How many more debates about the Vault 87 FEV are we going to have to endure?
Beth writers -- Please don't be so sloppy next time. Please.

I still don't see how, not finishing the move from West tek to Maraposia suddenly allows FEV to pop up in a Vault (Totally different company) and be all the way across the country.

(sadly, that is one of those plot holes that you have to fall through, and go "Move toward the Light!" I checked my sources, no reasoning how it got out there, unless Vault-Tec, working through the shadow Elements of the Government got some of it. Remember, the Vaults(except for 17 of them) were never meant to save people, and according to the Vault-Tec Article on The Vault Fallout Wiki, Vault 87 is mention on there, as is all the local DC Vaults for what experiments they were hatching.

Now i know that is still no excuse for the plot hole, but it is a very very weak reason Vault 87 got FEV, and that it would be an alternate site to work on it. Sadly, Did not work out that way, and all we got were really dumb Super Mutants.)

Well, considering West Tek and Vault Tek were two very powerful government contractors, it isn't inconceivable to believe that the Government proxy bought it. They by vats of FEV from West Tek in California, secretly ship it to a Vault. After all, what better way to test on people who, if there are survivors, can't escape the Vault. Dead, alive, they are all sealed in with a password locked door. Plus, this is me personally, I find it a LITTLE to convenient that an atom bomb just HAPPENS to hit the site of the front door, thus further sealing in it's inhabitants. Either way. I agree with Al, the writing left more questions than answered

@Al- Those who refuse to accept added canon are now going by Fanon, which is no longer true Fallout lore. I could say I believe aliens landed on earth to force us to listen to Clay Aiken CDs as torture, but that doesnt make it true.

(better stated than mine, +100) :thumbsup:

At least were not talking about Star Trek Vs STTNG Vs STDS9 Vs ST:V Vs E Vs ST:2009-2012-2015

Personaly the only one I have not played was Fallout BOS and frankly Im not realy interested in that. I played 2 first,* liked 1 a little bit better, thought Tactics was ok for what it was, and like NV better than F3

*To be blunt I thought Unreal was better at the time.

that said I liked all 5 of the games.

The Burned Game's true name has been spoken! REPENT, RENOUNCE YOUR HERESY AND BE SPARED THE WRATH OF THE FALLOUT INQUISITION!

Unreal?

and were talking about Bethesda, theres not a plothole that exists that they cant make bigger.

They take FEV from West Tek to conduct the reserach themsevles pressumabley in order to help stop intelligence leaks, they took it from the company which created Power Armour that's how top secret it was; why would they continue research with it? They didn't have any on the Oil Rig which is why they had to go back to Mariposa to get it, that's how important the Enclave, creators of the Vault thought it, the Vaults are SOCIAL experiments to help rebuild society in space or on the mainland, not to conduct actual experiments which would be of questionable use after a nuclear war.

Well, Vault 87 was the only Vault used for FEV testing, which may indicate the government stopped trusting West Tek to an extent, so they moved it to Vault Tec (Though officially it was all being sent to Mariposa) As to it's absence on the Oil Rig, you have to bear in mind that as much to my knowledge, FEV was only just created a few years before the war, either The Enclave hadnt done enough research to determine it's safe for the rig, or it had done just enough research to deem it a viable security threat, keep in mind, FEV cannisters if left open, can mutate things purely from radius exposure.

No, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. It's an inside joke around here

Whoops, now i said it! Nobody say it again or it'll appear behind us and gut us with it's hook arm :ahhh:

On topic of Fallout 3 lore-breaks, wouldn't it plausible that some information simple isn't available or correct? There was a nuclear armageddon, after all :hehe:

FFFF, STOP. SAYING. THE. NAME.

Whoop, here come the inquisition :drag:

Oh Hi :wavey:

Just wanted to let you guys know that you are accused of heresy on three counts -- heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action -- *four* counts. Do you confess?

CONFESS!

Uh-oh! *Jumps on his Behemoth mount* We must flee! To the land of the Scorched Canon!

*climbs in his suit of Advanced Power Armor and grabs a Vindicator minigun and chases Tojka and the Behemoth*

*huff huff* Need... More... Action Points!

You dare to say that name in MY presence!!!!!

wait. you actualy want people to play it?

How dare you even suggest it!

Why I never.....

No of course not, but saying the name of "the game that shall not be named" is punishable by "comfy chair" around here. :chaos:

I think you broke Lt., Draken.

Not really. Its what shdowhuntt60 said. West Tek was where it all started. The research was only moved a couple of months before the great war (10 months 16 days). Research was moved, does not say every last drop of FEV was moved. Seeing what became of West Tek the government was right in moving the top secret research to Mariposa because the Chinese knew about West Tek. West Tek was also where power armour was being researched.

Human Testing did not happen till after they moved to Mariposa at least not large scale testing.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_Maxson : "The team and research personnel were later (January 7, 2077) relocated to the Mariposa Military Base, where further FEV research was conducted."

I do wish it wasn't there but I don't think it'll go away. If fallout 3 weren't made and new Vegas took it's place it probably wouldn't effect the fanbase as much.