I wouldnt call the 'Oblivion with Guns' crowd unintelligent. They are just unwilling to accept the new generation until the 'real fans', IE elitists, say they accept the change. Personally, I only see some of Tactics as non canon. But beyond that. I'd say every Fallout except F:BoS is perfectly canon.

Keep your tempers folks... I find it pretty silly that I actually have to edit or delete posts on this "issue". Really... after all this time and there is still sniping over "It's a sequel" "Is not!" "Is too" "Is not". The horse, it is beaten to death.

As for splits in fanbase when sequels, prequels, etc., come out? Happens. Not unique to Fallout either.

Terrible thing too. I've seen alot of users here say that the Elder Scrolls forum is way worse about this stuff than the Fallout forum.

I wouldn't say so. There is the Oblivion vs. Morrowind debates that can get pretty nasty, but there is no "staying true to the series" facet to it like there is for Fallout.

No it doesn't bother me we're winning!! Now hand me the Fatman it'll be over in a moment!!

No seriously, it does get annoying. I could name the few people on one hand that are clearly not fans of Bethesda making Fallout. This is only a game. It's meant for entertainment. It's like when a singer leaves a band and the band gets a new singer and continues on. It's not quite the same band but they may still make good music. Like when Ronnie James Dio joined Black Sabbath, it wasn't 100% Black Sabbath but the music they made was 100% awesome! I know, I'm showing my age here

I wouldn't know, I've only dabbled lightly in the forums there. But at the same time, I agree, this whole 'WE MUST BE KNIGHTS AT THE DEFENSE OF THE OLD WAYS' thing you see around here is obnoxious. I love em all equally. Save for F:BoS which is just terrible, but the point is that this divide in the fan base I think is childish since the main problem coms from two types of people. On one side, you have the 'old fans' who are elitists and will snipe at new fans with 'in the old fallouts' remarks. Then on the new fan side you have people who like to berate fans of old Fallout fans. It's ridiculous folks just cant leave each other alone.

Really? Seems similar to the western front in World War I to me :hehe: But that would mean that come christmas we'll put aside our differences and have a fiendly game of soccer



Yeah, the both sides seem equally as bad in keeping this pointless war going on. But i guess human nature * the internet = :flamethrower:

Bloc Party's first album was too awesome, A Weekend In The City was great but some songs did not carry much impact, and Intimacy was awesome in it's own way but does not really sound like the Bloc Party I fell in love with from the start.

If FO1 was Bloc Party then FO3 was Kele's solo album, still [censored] awesome on it's own merits but not my cup of tea when I wanna hear some Bloc Party.
Bloc Party is what I fell in love with and even though it's as lovely as always to hear Kele's vocals the sound, feel and music of his album are nothing like what I fell in love with.
/Metaphor

I'm sure you think there are more differences. I still find it significant and hilarious that you listed a whole laundry list of cosmetic differences between the settings and have so far managed to come up with only three examples for these vast differences in gameplay: horses, caves (I still don't even know what you meant by that) and zoomed in dialogue. All of which are utterly pitiful as I've explained. Not that you'd quote that part of our debate lest you actually have to defend your reasoning instead of illiterately repeating the same nonsense you always do while demonstrating some of the most unwarranted arrogance I've ever seen.



You don't even bother reading your own posts? Strangely I'm not surprised.



You'd think you'd easily be able to demonstrate how the two games have totally different gameplay fairly easily if they are worlds apart. Yet you keep failing to do that.



I wasn't aware I was posting in the Fallout 3 forums.

Fair anology. I could used the American example of Jay Bennett/ post-Jay Bennett Wilco as well. Good in their own rights, but the latter is not the music that changed my life. With Fallout, though, I feel like some issues raised are fairly easy to address.

1) Map nodes vs. open exploration: there is a reason why in the Beth/Obsidian Fallout games that you can fast travel. Sure, it doesn't tick away time, and passage of days, months, years doesn't mean anything, but I feel like this is a happy medium. You can't do it with enemies nearby, which negates the trusty "run to exit grid for your life" strategy of F1 and F2, and the towns/maps are grid based, but I think that is a marked improvement. While there is no viable alternative to open exploration, I feel like the game is enhanced by the minutiae of easter egg locations.

2) Turn-based combat vs. VATS/RTS: all a matter of taste which I think should be an option at the beginning of the game, like hardcoe mode in NV. I feel like turn-based combat would slow down the modern games more than VATS, and like the quick-travel map, VATS is sorta like fan service: a new face on old gameplay.

These are just a few, and by no means am I trying to minimize people's feelings and preferences about the games, but I feel like these issues could be resolved easily in making the gameplay more customizable (i.e. a GECK on all platforms) instead of forcing players to adopt a single method of playing.

Sorry so sloppy.

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This is what I like to hear. It's perfectly fine for people to not like FO3, I have no issue with that even though it's my favorite game of the series, but I do strongly dislike it when FO1&2 fans can't seem to tolerate the idea that even one person prefers Bethesda Fallout to the original.

We can like different things and be respectful of each other's preferences at the same time, which is unfortunately something that often doesn't happen here.

Agreed. I come to these boards because I hope to see other people as excited about the series as me, but I always see a lot of dissension and bickering and it bums me out. I think we can all agreed that the games have mutual merits and shortcomings, but why make it a war?

Fallout New Vegas is canon and so is Tactics. Spin-off or not. The only Fallout game that is not canon because it made to many mistakes is "Fallout Brotherhood of Steel."

So in short every fallout is canon but one. Does not matter if its a spin-off.


The only Fallout out of all the Fallouts that is a Sequal by definition of "sequeal" as found in the dictionary is Fallout 2.

Which dictionary are you using? I prefer OED. :flamethrower:

I am using the Oxford Dictionary of Current English 4th Edition.

What about this: Let's drop the numbers on the end.

Seriously, FO2 had a rather large connection with FO1 but I could not call it 100% sequel really, maybe around 65 to 75%.
And that story was to close in Van Buren.
Since it wasn't made there is no real ending to Fallout anymore.
And since the connection from FO1/2 to FO3 is around 5 to 10% I'd say: Just drop the numbers.
Do we really need a number on the end?

I'd prefer it if all Fallout's went by Fallout: Arizona, Fallout: Resource Wars, Fallout: Mothership Zeta, The Return et cetera from now on.

?c. concr. Something developed from or produced by something else. Obs.
http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/176282?rskey=BUMzAL&result=1&isAdvanced=false#

Pretty vague definition, eh? All I'm saying is that for a Fallout sequel, all one needs are canon-appropriate ties to the former games. Enclave, Great War, BOS, etc. seem more than enough to make a sequel. Honestly I'm bored silly with NCR at this point, and Vaults. I want to see, if anything, a more severe divergence from the original games to show some progress in the Fallout world.

Fallout: Arizona!

So then Fallout Tactics is a Sequel and so if New Vegas. (Both Canon even if they are just spin-offs.)

Oxford Dictionary of Current English 4th Edition: Sequel: 1. A book, file or programme that continues the story of an earlier one. 2. Something that takes place after or as a result of an earlier event. --Origin Latin sequella

Your defention sounds more like the one for sequence.

gabriel77dan I agree the numbers should stop but I have a Feeling "Fallout DC" would not have sold as well.

Fallout: Capital Wasteland

Sounds like a capital idea to me. :laugh:

Anyway, Fallout: New Vegas sold pretty well though, sold more copies than FO3 no?

Yep both New Vegas and Fallout 3 "Capital Wasteland" sold very well.


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If you feel Fallout 3 is not a sequel like I do or not it does not matter. Every Fallout but BoS is Canon.

Does it bother me? No. Anyone getting worked up over a discussion about a long running video series is [censored]. I like playing these games, I also like discussing them. I take none of it very seriously because at the end of the day it is A VIDEO GAME.

I do not dislike any fallout title I've played (FO2,FO3,FNV). It would be like deciding what kind of ice cream i hate.

IMO, a split in fan base just mean more people are playing, thus we get more fallout titles.

What does bother me is the general video game forum know it alls who posts baiting/ flaming / trolling comments without ever really contributing to the topics discussion.

Edit: Hmm. Being born with impeded mental development is also censored. noted.

Or perhaps "The Post-Apocalyptic Holotapes: Capital Wasteland"? :hehe:



Couldn't agree more if i tried.

I can agree to that. I think like films, games should shy away from numerical titles. But I want something epic if they don't do strictly numbers (i.e. Skyrim or Oblivion :thumbsup: or just like one of the quest names or DLC titles).

Fallout: Ring-a-Ding-Ding?

Ratt80, but there's a bible for Fallout! :teehee: