Yes, it does. Not nearly as much as the fact that every thread where both Fallout 3 and New Vegas are mentioned becomes a vs thread (happening in this thread right as we speak :shakehead:).

I completely understand, and partially even agree with the "Oblivion with guns" problem classic fans have with Fallout 3, and i completele understand why Bethesda fans might dislike New Vegas too.

Alas i don't see an answer for this, it is a clash between two very different fanbases, both ferociously defending what they think is the direction Fallout should take. So... duck and cover? :flamed:

NMA is kind of a dead board, to be honest.

War.....war never changes.

Indeed. Ducking and covering seems to be the most logical thing to do at this point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2kdpAGDu8s.

Not really, it's activity might have slowed down but so has this board.

NMA is still active you know

And Sitruc

Fallout 3 can be called a "sequel"

but the game itself doesnt have nothing to do with the Story of the West Coast

So


It cannot be considered a TRUE sequel of Fallout 2 Just because the game got the number "3",

Like New Vegas is not a sequel to Fallout 3

Because the game takes places again in the West Coast

It still has some activity, but if you look at the first page of any board you can find threads going back to the first week of December. Not exactly a great board to hold up as an example that FO1&2 fans are still numerous and active.

That's not to say they aren't, but you can hardly claim NMA is a thriving community.

I'm kinda gotten used to the split. It was here when I came (in a much more fierce fashion) and still is. Bickering, fingerpointing, bashing, belittling... a normal day in the forums.

Sure, it would be nice to have a more united fanbase looking forward to a similiar goal and discussing it without all the crud, but I don't see that happening other than via a game that compromises for both groups evenly - and that is almost as uncertain an occurence as it gets (which is sad), though not impossible.

But they re still active, not always, but still

Like this forums, they re alot of people that dont create an account and enters, but that doesnt means that both fanbases have more or less

(But we follow the game since the 90 :P:P:P)

Also

NMA is not the only community of the Fanbase

The Vault Wikia have theirs (Mostly NMA and Beths Forums)

Lost Vault, Spanish NMA counterpart

There's still people posting on there but it's far less active than this site, or even the Nexus, which is comprised largely of Beth fans.

*Shoots a Radscorpion :gun: * Now that i am free from menial tasks at the moment, i will go see what they have to say as well, this Paladin wants to hear the pvssyr on the Radio, even if the silence is deafening.

There is something like a 100 years time gap between the series, movement of groups can move from one location to another, it doesn't invalidate Fallout3 as a TRUE sequel.

The number 3 is just part of the series name, and in tune with the previous of the series.

East coast, West coast, some players do get hung up on that though. I can accept that people, groups and things can move or change a bit over large time-spans. It's not something that concerns me a lot.

I play the game Fallout3 and get that good old Fallout feel that I had in the previous Fallouts, and that is what I wanted.

Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 are only 36 years apart not a 100 years! The story of Fallout 3 has nothing to do with Fallout 2. There are few if any references to the originals.

It is fairly annoying, like Mako said, someone bashes the originals, I will not stand for that.

Oorah. I can stand, maybe for a bit, FNV bashing, but don't anyone dare to bash the founding of the Fallout universe. :fallout:

Using the kind of argument of some classic fans you could swap the word "Oblivion" with any number of the hundreds of game names produced ... if you overlook that what is unique overall to the game Fallout.

It seems more the fact that Bethesda made both games so, aha, some say "it's just a mod of Oblivion" .. yeah right .. I say play the game in depth and properly and you will only see Fallout.

I assume that when they go back to Oblivion they say to themselves " this is just like Fallout3, but with mediaeval weapons, magic, casting spells, picking flowers and making alchemic potions, becoming wizards, fighting creatures from outer planes, having magic gates opening into those outer planes, which you pass through and fight creatures in those outer planes, and the lush green landscape and rivers, complex dungeons, etceteras " ... "but they both games have inventories, maps and quests" (yeah, and a hell of a lot different) ..... ......

I couldn't remember the exact number, it's a long time anyway, enough for whole nations to vanish.

Few references to the originals? How many did you need (never mind I'm signing off). I seem to remember somebody in Megaton that went on for ages about history and what was happening now. The fighting groups and just about everybody else went on about their histories. Need to explore and to meet them all.

So according to you the supposedly vast differences between Fallout 3 and Oblivion are entirely limited to the fact that one is set in a medieval fantasy world and the other in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Oh and one has a crafting system that the other doesn't.

Thank you for summing up why Fallout 3 is accurately called "Oblivion with guns" so succinctly.

* slaps his helmet as he walks :facepalm: * I see this has degenerated again while i was looking on Nexus and NMA safehouses for Sugar Bombs, heaven forbid we cannot have a reasonable topic about why we have a split over our beloved fandom, (sigh) I'm keeping my opinion to myself, and i'm going to go find Sugar Bombs. * walks off muttering to himself.....*

So in a topic about the split in the fandom it's unreasonable and belligerent for there to be a discussion about the exact reason why there is a split in this fandom?

The overriding reason most old school fans don't like Fallout 3 is because it's painfully apparent that when it was being designed Bethesda drew far, far more from Oblivion than from the originals and essentially replaced much of what many of us liked about the series in the first place with things imported from a totally alien series.

The guy in Megaton was talking about pre-war, nothing to do with the Originals. The only person talking about the originals was that dead ex Enclave from Navarro. That does not continue the story of Fallout 2

History lesson

Great War happened October 23, 2077. Fallout takes place in 2161, Vault Dweller is the main player. Fallout Two takes place 2241 and the Chosen One, Vault Dwellers grand kid is the player. Fallout 3, 2277 and the character has nothing to do with Fallout 2. The story has nothing to do with Fallout 2. Therefore the game does not meet the definition of sequel.

Oh so you ignore the fact that plenty of gameplay mechanics are carried over whole sale? Thats why it's called "oblivion with guns". XD Nope I see Oblivion every time I try a lock and it says sorry you don't have 50 lockpicks, when I can do directional power attacks that use the same animations as you see in Oblivion. every time I open the pipboy and see the same inventory screen as oblivion, only slightly altered.

point me to one thing thats the same, from the originals. Because the gameplay, and mechanics aren't the same. So your either blind to the similarities, or are purpouely ignoring them.

Except that in Oblivion there were no skill requirements for picking locks But yes, that is exactly what i mean. Fallout 3 uses Oblivion's design paradigm, it is clearly visible from all aspects of the game.

Ah yeah, does the split bother me?
Yes and no.
From a forum standpoint I like that there are different sides cause that means that juicy debates arise.
But from an elitist standpoint I hate it.
Not asking for everyone to hate FO3, just asking for FO3 players to try out the old games first and finish them before making statements about FO3 in VS debates.
If they still wish to side with FO3 then that's fine, just saying they should give each game a fair chance before picking a "side".

It's only annoying when people who only played Fallout 3 consider New Vegas "not a Fallout game", or consider themselves experts.

I may be the only person in the world who has played the originals and considers Fallout 3 my favourite game.

Oh no, I have played Fallout 3 and it is my... fou-- FIFTH favorit-- SIXTH favorite game, and that is taking on all other Fallouts (besides the Burned Game) and Garrys Mod. I love it for what it is, an action-adventure game.