Average? wow people here really hates The Witcher i don't think The Witcher is an average game ,not at all do you plan to play it or have you played the 1st one? have you seen the videos on youtube, just wondering why your opinion (wich i respect) is that it is an average game :unsure:

It humbles me how a small team can make a great game with their hearth , i hope there was more people like them.

Btw the 1st review , because i see you like reviews is 9,5 , i pesonally don't like to trust in to reviews too much

True, but even if W2 is a masterpiece and got perfect scores, how much dev time does BGS have to implement a lot of things from W2, or any other game for that matter? They are having a simultaneous worldwide launch in 6 months.

The Witcher is anything but "average." It won Game of the Year in 2007. It won best RPG in 2007. It won best score in 2007. It also won a vast amount of other awards, and this was from a brand new developer from Poland of all places. With the first game's success, CD Projekt Red was able to get the funding to make the best sequel they possibly could, and improve upon The Witcher 1 in every single way. Amazing graphics. Amazing combat. A ridiculous amount of customization for gear and armor. 16 different endings with a variety of different scenarios based on choices. Seamless loading so the player never sees a loading screen. Realistic and believable npcs that are on par with BGS's Radiant AI. On top of that every single major gaming site has given their review of the prologue and first chapter as highly positive, taking 20+ hours to complete. This game will easily be a juggernaut, and will definitely give Skyrim a fight on PC. In terms of consoles though, Skyrim will obviously win as The Witcher 2 isn't on console.

An AVERAGE game? Dude, the Witcher 2 is going to be LEGEN - wait for it - DARY!

Skyrim will be so, of course, but the Witcher 1 was very well considered, and nobody knew about CD Projekt at that time. Now they are known and are making another game that looks great! I'm sure the game will get more than just avergae reviews.

The Witcher 2 will be a a great way to make the summer go by faster, but I honestly don't think it's going to come close to Skyrim's story and AI.

we dont realy want them to implement things from W2 in skyrim. we want them to look at the games like W1 and tell themselves. okay.... those few elements that are in our game too. these are new standards and if we want to make a AAA product we have to be at least equal or better

I said it could bomb or it could get average reviews. Key word being "could". Also, let's not kid ourselves. They may be a "small" team, but their budget isn't small compared to some indie devs or something.

As good as the Witcher 2 seems, I don't want to be forced to play as guy with a predetermined past and physical appearance. I want to choose the way I look. I want to determine my class, not be forced to play as a witcher.

yea but they are not indie either. the thing is also not only about their team being small. its also YOUNG bethesda is like 20 years old.

@Luke
yea but thats only a subjective matter on your personnal preference. were trying to compare what we know of the game and series so far objectively and see how this could affect Skyrim in anyway

Witcher 2 is being worked on for consoles. Possibly going to be released for consoles, but it's not 100% certain.

Here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109601-CD-Projekt-Boss-Drops-the-Dime-on-Witcher-2-for-Consoles

BGS would be silly not to get inspiration from other AAA games. We already know part of the reason they are hesitant to put in horses are because of games like Red Dead Redemption. We also know that they were inspired by Apple to completely streamline their menu system. They even got their idea for manipulation of magic in Skyrim from Bioshock with plasmids. If I were BGS, I would seriously consider picking up The Witcher 2 just to see what they did take makes the game stand out. BioWare could learn a lot from CD Projekt Red as well, considering they more or less make the same kind of games.

GotY from who?

Until recently there was only one AAA open world rpg maker, that was Bethesda. Pirana Bytes and Topware(hope I got the companys right to lazy to check) the makers of Gothic1-3/Risen and Two Worlds 1&2 were the only other open world rpg makers. And they were b team.
Now there is a new AAA open world rpg coming to challenge mighty Beth's open world rpg dominance and its certainty not The Witcher 2 which is not even close to open world. Its Kingdom of Amalur. Its got a big budget and an all star team behind it, including ex Bethesda employees.

Point being they have an adequate budget.

This is my theory. The thing is...people noticed the ambition that TW had. They forgive it's flaws because they can see what the developer was trying to do. Now, I couldn't get passed some of the stupid annoying mechanics of the first, but I'm ready to give the second a try. It's not as wildly successful as TES, and it's turned a lot of people off. But it has a growing fan base, and with it, a growing power to realize it's ambitions.

So if they or another game continue on this arc, and the Elderscrolls fails to keep pace (Oblivion took one step forward and two steps back) then it may see itself eclipsed in the future. I think Skyrim will be an improvement from Oblivion and amazing in general, but there is a chance that it will be the last "dominant" ES game, before other companies learn to emulate (if not improve) the open world open story model, while at the same time retaining all the positive traits they had to develop when they couldn't compete in that arena.



I briefly looked at that game. I won't get into how much I dislike RA Salvatore, because plenty people love him, and while Ken Rolston has done good work for Bethesda, his record's not unimpeachable. Also, dude who created Spawn and some pro MLB player whose also a game dork. Meh.

All I will say is that the game kind of looks like a single player, graphically impressive WoW. Somewhat cartoonish and over the top. I'm sure it will make millions.

The point is BGS has no competition for now. I played own the first Two Worlds and the game was an utter joke. The dialogue summed up my entire experience with that game. We will see what happens in the future, but Skyrim doesn't really have competition, as nothing is similar to it. Unless you want to compare other BGS games to it...

Well, that's a matter of preference. Personally, I love both ways. With Skyrim, I can make up my character's story and all of that. But The Witcher is based on a great book series, and Geralt is a very, very deep character. The Witcher can reflect this depth. You find people from the books, that know your character, and Geralt is a very charismatic character.

Those games aren't releasing less than 6 months before Skyrim.

Gamespy. And what? They are a well-known gaming site that gives out gaming awards just like every other big gaming site.

It's more than six months left, and The Witcher 2 is coming out next week. Development of the game doesn't end until the ship. BGS would have plenty of time to get ideas from The Witcher 2 to consider for Skyrim. It doesn't mean we will see gameplay mechanics fundamentally change, but it could change how BGS develops Skyrim.

I just checked and Gamespy GotY 2007 was CoD.

I agree, I hope Kingdoms turn out to be a great game. I hope Risen 2 turns out to be a great game, I hope the expansion for Two Worlds 2 really pushes the game to the next level. I want Beth to feel the pressure, I want other game makers to go hey I can make that too and I can do it better, I want the open world rpg marker to expand. Beth is my fav company but it kinda svcks when your only really into open world rpgs like myself and there is only one company making really good ones. And only 3 company's total making them at all, now we at least got 1 more in the mix.

The Witcher 2, Radiant AI and Radiant Story... wat?
Radiant AI is Bethesda's own invention, not something that every RPG use. The same with Radiant Story, which is something completely new that debuts in Skyrim.

Secondly, The Witcher 2 is a linear game, while Skyrim is a non-linear game. Skyrim will most likely have a more living and realistic world (as you can go everywhere at anytime), while The Witcher 2 probably will offer more epic events (since you're much more "controlled" in linear games).
If you're going to compare TES with another RPG (at least when it comes to AI and NPC behaviour), compare it to non-linear ones like Gothic or Two Worlds.

I see , some people has no idea what The Witcher is about (i mean no remote idea, nada cero lol), i guess is obvious they hate the "average Witcher" game just because they are on TES forums. I love both games but i do see beyond my nose too some youtube and google research wouldn't hurt , i aso believe i know where the hate comes in part for to be a PC only game (for now) , i am sure that "Average Game" "Linear Game" will change if they are able to play it on consoles hehe :spotted owl:

I am very happy to be able to play both amazing games this year

Witcher 2 will be semi-open world. There are 4 loading screens in the game, seperating you from different chapters in the game. It has no loading screens between dungeons or houses or towns, while Skyrim has.
Skyrim will focus more on freedom though, and that's one thing I really really like about Skyrim. So much freedom, and 1st person camera

Witcher 2 is not even close to open world, there are chapters, and you can't even back track. Its not even closes.

And when did loading screens have anything to do with being an open world game? Beth set the standard for open world rpgs, Rock Star for other open world games, and all of them have load screens. Having or not having load screens is not relevant to being open world or not.