Radiant AI was in its infancy and still is. Bethesda had 5 years to make it better, and I'm positive they won't fail to impress.

Both of them are going to be great games. Different, but great.

Skyrim will be a wonderful open-world game. The Witcher 2 will be more linear, which isn't something bad: sometimes I prefer to play a more linear game. In addittion, this linerity allows a deeper story and a richer character (but only ONE) with a background that is reflected during the story (and, in the case of Geralt, there is a LOT to reflect) and with his friends and enemies and all of that. And open-world game doesn't have this things, but it has plenty of them that a linear game can't have.

Concerning AI, we'll see. CD Projekt hasn't got much experience, but they have shown us that they are very, very good and promising. Skyrim's Radiant AI is going to be great, anyway.

So are we really trying to compare two games that attempt to represent completely separate style of play, that haven't even been released, based on some hype machine and announcements?

Is anyone here really naive enough to think that either of these games will live up to their hype? I can't think of any game in history that has actually done that. For example, did you know that gamesas is claiming that NPCs will react and respond to things that you leave on the ground in Skyrim? That's fine and good, but they made the SAME announcement for Oblivion. Guess what, it didn't happen.

Don't compare games on their hype. Especially don't compare games with different play-styles based only on hype.

but if we don't do that.......what will we talk/argue about??? :confused:

That was more than 5 years ago.

Todd said in an interview that they encountered those kind of behaviors in early development of the AI for Skyrim and that they toned it down for it NOT to happen. im not going to find a link for you so yes i know that

I'm very looking forward to skyrim but CD Projekt is definitely setting standards in the fields of RPGs too and its better like that because to me no other RPG realy gave Bethesda any real competition thus far

@Geckoman
I truly hope that people understand that were just talking for talking here.

They toned down Radiant Story, not Radiant AI.

For what reason they toned down Radiant Story?

...Radiant story doesnt dictate the behavior of NPC's it dictates whats thrown at the player...Radiant A.I is still in....

At first they were using it for everything. They scaled it back quite a bit to use it mainly for quest parameters only.

Because quest couldn't compare to the ones made by people. Abusing of Radiant Story resulted in a lot of crappy quests.

lol after re-reading the whole thread i think most do but there are some.....not so sure. :tongue:

in fact, radiant AI caused quite a few quests to break usually because a needed npc was killed after chasing deer across the country and running into an ogre or minataur. LOL

That definitely sounds like something that could've happened in Oblivion...'s E3 demo.

So? My point is that games don't deliver what they make you think they will. You can't compare games based on what they announce because they probably won't even have all those features, and even if they do, they won't work the way you imagine them working.

Nothing has changed in 5 years regarding the hype engine.


Exactly.

Yea. and as for game comparaisons its just important to compare games because thats what set standards and allow us to have high quality products. even comparing mirror's edge to skyrim would be benificial. i know its far stretched but those kind of comparaisons just show the new standards and expectation we have for the first person camera and how moving around the world should be like. okay it will never be as parkour as mirror's edge for sure but just imagine a little bit more of going over obstacle and how jump should be handled.

Hype engine hasn't changed, but the game engine has.

Exactly. So don't bother comparing games until you have access to the game. If you want to compare the game engines, then you actually need to have the game engines, not hype about the game engines.

I wasn't comparing any games to begin with.

All games use the "Hype" engine. I don't see a point in bringing that up.

The point is that a bunch of people are standing around in this thread comparing two games that aren't even out yet! The POINT is that you are comparing hype to hype. The point is that this is pointless.

If you aren't the one doing it then great, that doesn't apply to you. But some in this thread are and it's just silly. You can't use hype to compare games. That's all I've been saying.

I think he was referring to RS, not RAI.

This. What the heck is the point in comparing two games that no one has played yet?

i have already stated it read the thread. were just talking if you dont want to take part in the conversation just dont

Well The Witcher 2 has pretty impressive graphics, models and textures and there are no loading times , you can go in to a castle, go in to an NPc house, go in to a dungeon, go back to the forest with no loading screens , every house is different and decorated to suit each NPcs, even some Npcs have different flooring, i believe this is really nice (i know someone will say: but loading times are needed for inmersion or whatever lol ), Npcs has their own lives , fishing , cooking , etc like on Skyrim. This doesn't mean that The Witcher 2 has Radiant Story , is a different kind of AI.

You can go everywhere you can see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCmhA4mIr3U

It's a non linear game , non linear at all each quest has tons of branches ,oh "noes is a linear game" :spotted owl: , there is a video showing the branching stories but is not suited for these forums sorry :unsure:

The guys making The Witcher 2 are a very small company, Witcher 2 is their 2nd game and they are very few members.

Is a different game from TES , The Witcher 2 is 3rd person also , at the end i know i will love both games and i will have fun in both with no need to put either game down

Then again this is just my opinion.