1 - Why is it, Vivec is suddenly so week after the destruction of Lorkhan's heart? I understand he stole false-divinity and God-like power from it, however, did he not have God-like power already due to have successfully reaching CHIM?

If Azura was sort-of afraid or cautious of Vivec due to his equal footing with her, why is he so week when you meet him in Morrowind? Why is he too week to hold the moon from falling After the Lorkhan's power vanished?

Those examples make no sense, specially if CHIM is so great that it could give power over time itself. . .

And Two, Did Dagoth Ur kill Nerevar or did the Tribunal? I believe it was the Tribunal. However there are just so many accounts as to what had happened back then.

Nerevar killed Dagoth Ur, and was killed by Vehk. Not Vivec, because Vivec was only Vehk once, when Vehk used the tools along with Seht and Ayem.

Those that have CHIM have no reason to manifest their power since they know they are everything. Means they accept the world as it is, therefore would not change it. However Talos did change the landscape of Cyrodiil. My guess is that he tried and succeeded in seeing Cyrodiil as an object separate from himself, and directed his kindness towards it.

Azura wasn't aware Vivec had CHIM.

It's hard to say why the moon fell. At some point I believed Vivec wanted to punish his people. Now I believe the fall was caused by rational Dunmer http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Rising_Threat,_Vol._III
combined. It's not hard to see the Thalmor taking revenge on the god who gave Talos the Numidium.

Thalmor didn't do it. Go read the Infernal City. Basically, they built a device to keep it up, but it was sabotaged by a Dunmer, who was upset about how it had to be powered by souls.

No, all the dunmer were fine with how it did use souls to power it, as they often just used slaves. What happened was that the antagonist (I forgot his name) got very jealous with Sul, as Sul was dating a dunmer lass the antagonist also really liked. So, the antagonist put her in the machine (you know, the whole "If I can't have her, no one will!), and Sul ended up destroying it in attempt to save her (he didn't).

VIvec held the moon up by the power derived from his people's love and faith in Vivec. After the events of Morrowind, people steadily lost faith in Vivec, and Vivec either couldn't or didn't want to hold the moon up anymore. The moon had to be held up by other means, as described in Infernal City.

Then the bigger Question is what happened to Vivec?

the nerervrine killed him...probably, or since he could be slain in tes 3 they couldn't have him floating around contradicting someones game

Vivec was written out.

The more I think about it, the more skeptical I am of Vehk's claim that it was the Dunmer's faith in him that kept the moon from falling.

It strikes me as convenient that the he can only prevent a calamity from happening if everyone is properly respectful and fearful of him.

"It's a pretty nice island you have here, it would be a real shame if a giant boulder was to set off a volcanic eruption, know what I'm sayin'?"

the power of faith strengthens a god in TES. If people lost faith in Vivec, the power of Vivec holding it back fades. The fact that the dunmer had to borrow the power of Clavacus Vile in order to keep it afloat speaks volumes of the power Vivec had.

If he REALLY wanted to, he could of prevented a thousand moons from falling, even after the Heart power diminished. He was supposed to be THAT powerful. In-sense, compared to the other two of the Tribunal he had the Power equivalent to the Daedric Princes even without the Lorkhan's power surging through him.

Therefore, inevitably, he decided to just let it crash. As for why? I do not know.


Nor was he written out! hahaha. If that was the case, then there would be know mention of him in Oblivion and or Skyrim. [Little rumors I have come across is all].

He is just not significant enough apparently to show in game. Asides from that, He very much so is still alive. At least in my mind he is. Because I fail to understand how someone with his power could simply be "Slain by a mortal."

written out, as in he's whatever the player wants his fate to be for all intents and purposes. You may say he got CHIM, I say he's riding motorcycles with the Numidium, my nerevarine and Talos, and shooting the bird at Akatosh while smoking, because we smoke when we shoot the bird.

It states he has CHIM.

Out of game stuff, yes. In game, not quite so. And for the record, I'm actually part of the Vivec got CHIM camp, though that doesn't mean I can't have fun with it.

ah i see. lol.

Left for Pen Island.


Will read it soon, I guess. I was thinking that the Thalmor wouldn't have been mentioned in the book anyway, but since you've read it, you know better than I do.

How was it convienient for him? He didnt need the Dunmer's faith.

The Dunmer needed the Dunmer's faith.

And he cared enough to keep them to that standard.

Run that one past me again.

He held the entirety of Morrowind hostage to ensure that the Dunmer continued to 'have faith' in the Dunmer race?

He 'cared' enough about his people to kill them if they stopped believing?

How exactly does that work?

Remember, love and faith are powerful forces in the TES series. Gods can (and were) created just by having enough mortals believing in them. And gods can be destroyed by destroying faith; see Umaril's plan in KotN and the Thalmor's plan in Skyrim. And when you consider that CHIM has to do with love...

To me, Vivec probably had a sort of CHIM hiccup when his people lost faith in him.

CHIM allows you to exceed the limitations of normal gods. It is dependent on no one's faith but that of oneself.

He didn't hold them hostage. Nor was it the entirety of Morrowind.

Vvardenfell is holy land and Vehk's domain.

He did not cause the "Landfall," Sheogorath originally did. Vehk delayed it.

Vehk didn't kill all those people.

The entire Dunmeri story isn't a rational one. Stop looking at it through this modern utilitarian lense.

If you know anything of the Dunmer, you'll know that they choose chiefly to learn through trial and suffering. They chose their own fate. They didn't leave Alinor to live in a land of milk and honey. They left to follow Boethiah, the god of deceit, treachery and trial.

Yes, but isn't it possible to lose CHIM?

It's called extortion. It's not that rare. It was to make sure that they would remain a distinct and proud culture, separate from the fast-homogenizing Empire of Man, as long as they could. And a good way to ensure ongoing Temple donations for the poor, as it happens.

Yes, and it is rather easy to do so. A single slip in your thought can lead to zero summing.