I don't get it... : V

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:13 pm

They say they care and listen to what the fans say, but if that were true, then why announce a game when its too late to make any major changes to it?

Seems like a business strategy more than actually caring about what fans think.

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:35 pm

Eh.

Most fan 'Suggestions/Ideas' are incredibly stupid.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:44 am

People have been suggesting things since 2006.

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:27 pm

The Suggestions/Ideas threads have been going on for years, not just since the announcement. There's been plenty of time to gather fanbase feedback.
If it was used or not is yet to be seen, however.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:11 am

there has been a suggestion/ideas thread way before Skyrim was announced...

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:05 pm

/Thread.

oh and Side note, there are no *suggestions for TES V Skyrim* Forum, its called DISCUSSION mean talk about it, how does it make you feel ect ect, not say what you want but what you hope is in it, because wants are pretty much spitting into the wind on a rainy day at this point. like others have said, there has been a Suggestions section for YEARS now.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:18 am

People have been suggesting things since 2006.

This times a thousand. And frankly the people who have been suggesting things for the past four years are the people Beth should listen to, not the flood of people that come now that the game has been announced. And I say that having gotten on these boards only a few months before Skyrim was announced. Alot of the people on here have spent countless hours on TES games and have more thought out ideas for changes than most people. Since Skyrim was announced the quality of ideas seems to me to have dropped, even just from the short time I was here beforehand.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:59 am

People have been suggesting things since 2006.

Ive been coming to these forums for years. Saying what I like and dont like about their previous games.

The ideas and suggestions thread for TES V is at about number 180 something now.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:57 am

Suggesting things without ever seeing the product.

What ever happened to fan-feedback?

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:20 am

This times a thousand. And frankly the people who have been suggesting things for the past four years are the people Beth should listen to, not the flood of people that come now that the game has been announced. And I say that having gotten on these boards only a few months before Skyrim was announced. Alot of the people on here have spent countless hours on TES games and have more thought out ideas for changes than most people. Since Skyrim was announced the quality of ideas seems to me to have dropped, even just from the short time I was here beforehand.

Ive been coming to these forums for years. Saying what I like and dont like about their previous games.

The ideas and suggestions thread for TES V is at about number 180 something now.

:icecream: :goodjob: :touched: :cookie: :trophy: :rock: :ahhh: :cake:

pretty much sums up how I feel about your statements, I wish the legions more we have on this forum, as unrequired as it may be(have nothing to prove) would stand up and state the bloody obvious before things go south.

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:38 pm

And just another thought - suggestions threads are not the only way to gauge what people want. There's thousands of mods for oblivion, and by looking at what the most popular mods change to the game, bethesda knows what a big chunk of the community wants. The popularity (and implementation) of overhaul mods that change level scaling (and loot scaling and enemy leveling etc.) won't have gone unnoticed by bethesda. Just like the popularity of nGCD and companion mods.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:38 am

Lot's of recommendations on these boards for along time.

...Most fan 'Suggestions/Ideas' are incredibly stupid.

I don't want to demean the opinions of others.

But I will say that I hope they are judicious on what the do with the game vs simply implement posted recommendations. The Bethesda developers are very good at producing these types of games.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:51 am

It probably isn't too late to add suggested ideas but they will be limited to what they can do. Depending on how deeply they use voiced dialog, don't expect anything quest related to change at this point. It's probably too late for core engine features as well. I figure anything that could be easily modded using the CS is still up for grabs up until the last minute.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:42 am

concerns and ideas are typically used from what people said about the previous game

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:05 am

Many of my suggestions from the well-over-a-hundred suggestions threads were implemented if I read the GI article right. But why listen to fans? Why? It's like user-created content. I'd rather have someone professional make the decisions.

Especially since every single piece of information about any TES game ever has resulted in some group shouting "ruined FOREVER!" Why deliberately cater to a fanbase so notoriously divided on every single point instead of just making the game you want to make? I know Bethesda can make a good game and now that I know they're this far in I'm content to let them do their jobs.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:25 am

They say they care and listen to what the fans say, but if that were true, then why announce a game when its too late to make any major changes to it?

Seems like a business strategy more than actually caring about what fans think.

that would be very weird coming from a place of business...

we can suggest as much as we like, and bethesda can put as much of it in there as they want but at the end of the day, the most they can do is make the game they want to play and if it happens to be a game that other people want to play then thats cool with them and if it isn't then thats cool with them too. It probably won't be cool with their investors but I'm sure they don't quite care.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:33 am

Didnt you make the exact same topic about a week ago? This is at least a complete clone of it.

They listened to the feedback they got on Oblivion, obviously, and learned from that.
Aswell as listening to ideas and suggestions for Skyrim, which have been made for several years in this forum.

If you expect them to call you personally 3years ahead and inform you that they are making the game and want ur suggestions, then ur expecting too much.

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:15 pm

Eh.

Most fan 'Suggestions/Ideas' are incredibly stupid.

Exactly. Why would professional game designers listen to some random, mostly useless, ideas.

Although I'm not saying that all are bad, some are good.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:01 am

I kinda think that the point of these forums are to monitor fans' responses to new information and aspects that may be subject to change. I think they do care what we think, but overall they're gonna make the game that they've already had planned. So, it's probably true that 90% of what we all say on here is not gonna be considered, but with certain game aspects that they're not sure what to do with, they probably do still turn to the forums to see what fans think, just for some extra input.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:01 am

Yes, they do listen to the fans.

People complained hardcoe when Oblivion came out. It was missing a few features from the demo they showed at E3, and a lot of people got upset about that. So they waited to show Skyrim until these awesome features were set in stone. This is why they took so long to announce, and it's also why I THINK that nothing they show will get cut.

No matter what Beth does, there will ALWAYS be someone who thinks they don't care about their fans. It's kind of a shame really. They really are active in talking and listening to their fans, especially when compared to other game developers.

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:42 pm

Exactly. Why would professional game designers listen to some random, mostly useless, ideas.

Although I'm not saying that all are bad, some are good.

Much like mods. It's sturgeon's law, I believe.

Yes, they do listen to the fans.

People complained hardcoe when Oblivion came out. It was missing a few features from the demo they showed at E3, and a lot of people got upset about that. So they waited to show Skyrim until these awesome features were set in stone. This is why they took so long to announce, and it's also why I THINK that nothing they show will get cut.

No matter what Beth does, there will ALWAYS be someone who thinks they don't care about their fans. It's kind of a shame really. They really are active in talking and listening to their fans, especially when compared to other game developers.

I agree. The long wait for announcement was both to be able to show a confident release date as well as to ensure that a minimum of features shown in development will be cut out of the final product.

And the TES fanbase is a notoriously broken one. That's why they really just have to make the game they like themselves, because it is literally impossible to please all of us all of the time, even moreso that in everything else ever.

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:35 pm

Didn't you realize that Beth adressed the fan feedback after Oblivion's release in Skyrim?

» Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:46 pm

Much like mods. It's sturgeon's law, I believe.

I agree. The long wait for announcement was both to be able to show a confident release date as well as to ensure that a minimum of features shown in development will be cut out of the final product.

And the TES fanbase is a notoriously broken one. That's why they really just have to make the game they like themselves, because it is literally impossible to please all of us all of the time, even moreso that in everything else ever.

Indeed. So many Elder Scrolls fans want so many different things. Not to mention we all disagree on what we want. Our opinions are scattered at best.

We are a tough crowd.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:26 am

Because they have been listening to fans on the forums for the last 4 years since oblivion's release? Think before you post.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:02 am

I've been suggesting things since most of the first TES:V suggestion threads got started, I don't think anyone actually want the developers to implement everything without critically looking at it.

The suggestions are there to inspire the developers, but they are the ones who know the full picture, so they are the only ones who can say what's gonna work well in relation to what they already have in mind.