truthfully i wouldnt mind an ugly game, but one that had lots of gameplay and uniqueness, i mean i couldnt finish oblivion because i got bored, but i am still playing morrowind to this day, even though its uglier than a cheap [censored]

Juvenile flame war over consoles vs. PCs? You mean my point about not doing what I consider "wasting money". If consoles hold back the game to such a disgusting degree, what would such an expensive computer do for you? Maybe we forgot graphics settings? Mods that allow you to vastly improve your graphics settings? Or did we not include those things because, while making the PC seem better, they added weight to the "consoles really aren't holding back PC gaming" territory?

As for your second statement, I'm not the one who started worrying about costs and stating how more expensive must definitely mean better. I don't care how you spend your money, but you obviously care how I spend mine, or at least you seemed to on the last page. I wasn't having a flame war. I was making a point, and instead of civilly countering that debate, you decided to turn this against me and pretending I was flaming you so that you wouldn't have to counter my point. Don't start debates you can't finish, please. I most certainly agree with your second point, but that's not what you were stating earlier.

Sorry about my misinterpretation of your original post.

Anyway, I already stated my reason for wanting better graphics: it helps to immerse me in the game world. I'm not sure if this is the same for other people, but I suspect for many it has to do with the simple fact that pretty graphics are, well, pretty.

I'm a PC gamer, but I still find issue with a few misconceptions in a few posts... The Xbox 360 has hardware support for tessellation, which some have said is why there are so many 360 exclusive titles that have never been ported to PC. DirectX is an API. Does your PC have OpenGL ES? No. Now, the 360 probably has something like DX, and the PS3 has something of its own, but either way you can't really put "DX11" onto consoles like you do on PC.Why would you need that many GPUs? Are you saying we should require people have additional GPUs? Why do you want us PC gamers - or rather, our wallets - to suffer simply because you dislike consoles?See, herein lies your problem. Not everyone has an amazing PC. You see, I can run most modern console-to-PC ports on my good ol' 8800GTS at around about 30FPS most of the time. That's a good thing. I, like most rational people, am not shelling out a couple hundred dollars for a new graphic card I don't need! It is unrealistic to expect that people should be constantly upgrading their computers to keep up with gaming - after all, we can achieve an amazing amount of realism with what we have now, so what's the rush? Consoles are holding PC gaming back so that us PC gamers don't have holes in our wallets the size of an average American state whenever a new game comes out. Look at it this way - the last PC game released to be a graphical showcase was Call of Pripyat. Did that really do much with DX11? No! And now the next STALKER is coming to consoles! Will STALKER 2 use DX11?

[quote]My God, what's with the console/PC wars? I can't beleive within hours of announcing there is already complaining. Bethesda said it's going to be like looking at a next-gen console, so take their word for it or don't.[quote]

Wait...I thought the Xbox360 and Playstation 3 were the 'next-gen' consoles.

The graphics aren't even important anyway - it was too high a focus upon oohlala graphics that meant the Oblivion had extremely severe design problems in terms of game balance (aka levelling) and quest design (aka complete linearity). If they decide to make the focus of this game upon choices and consequences and increased quest depth in the manner of Fallout 3, increasing the importance of skills, changing the levelling system so that players aren't forced to game the system by focusing on non-major skills so they don't become 'weaker' as they level, making personality something other than a dump stat etc etc, rather than making a graphical jump like they did between Morrowind and Oblivion then I'll be happy even if the graphics look exactly the same.

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't a big improvement from Oblivion; I finally got a computer that plays Oblivion smoothly on max settings, and I don't want to have to upgrade my video card again for TES V.

Speaking strictly for myself, I do not find it a waste of money. PC tech and building them is my crack! It's what gives me joy.

I wish we could talk about this stuff without people getting so upset with each other.

To each their own. :shrug:

If Id can get RAGE running on the 360 with a smooth 30 FPS per second locked, then Bethesda can get TESV working just as well.

First thing always at the top of my list to spend money on is a new PC. Always. Stuff $2000, that's a piddling amount, if I had ￡2000 (GBP) I could maybe get three-quarters of the PC I dream about - a lot of that would go on solid state drives though (which you don't need for gaming) tbh, oh god I want solid state drives in my always-on PC, it would save a lot on the electricity bill. But you see there's the thing, when I build a PC I can decide exactly which components I want. Mechanical or Solid State drives; modular PSU maybe; 1 HDD or 5 HDDs; ability to plug in multiple monitors and run multiple processes at the same time - I don't just use my PC for gaming, it does a lot of other stuff as well. Playing games is the main reason that I build a PC, but it's also an integrated part of our household and I would never be without one.

Wow. You really need to mellow out.

Well some depth would be nice. I hope they didn't spend all their time making things look good.

and not to mention that fallout 3 and morrowind actually had story in it, oblivion was basically, doors appear, u kill some things, close doors, kill boss, morrowind was make money, do stuff, convice the people, get the gear, fight to boss, kill boss, and since i havent played fallout 3 yet i wont try to explemfly it here

Can we stop arguing? Some people like to spend money to upgrade their PC. They consider it a hobby. (I am one of those people)

Some people are perfectly content to spend a few hundred every x years on a new generation of consoles.

Nothing wrong either way, folks. It's all about preference. Neither is stupid, a waste of money, etc.

2000+ is a load of hogwash. I built my top of the line gaming PC for $1200. I've built two other gaming PCs for similar amounts.

Anything more is using brand spanking new parts that are likely worse than older part, due to their somewhat experimental nature. Take DDR 3 when it first came out. It was trash compared to DDR 2, yet you had people throwing WAY too much at DDR 3 just to be "top of the line", despite actually having LESS performance that "lesser" rigs!

Jesus, the "Consoles ruin everything" whiners are back. Perfecto-Graphics are nice, but not nice enough to tool up a gaming PC. Some people like the "buy, plug-in, and sit-on-ass" method of gaming. Personally, I like that there's no 720 yet. Let us have some breathing room before buying another console, or video card in a PCr's case. I mean, [censored].

Mine runs most things perfectly and it cost less than $1000. $700 store price, a bit more with upgrades.

Thank you. I'm a console man, but I would have no-aversion to playing on a super-PC if I had the funds and, er...will to do so.

You're absolutely right, building and upgrading PCs is a hobby, and not a particularly cheap one. My only objection to other posts was the idea that you can only play games on the sofa or in bed or using a gamepad or run it through your surround sound if you have a console - because that is clearly not the case, you can do all of those things with a PC. Yes I did get a bit carried away beyond that point, my apologies for that

I feel that you are misinterpreting my posts. I am merely questioning why $2000+ is needed for a gaming PC, especially if you are building it yourself. I know many people on here who have amazing gaming PCs for far cheaper. I just want to know what the benefits of buying such an extravagant PC are? What does one gain by spending that much on a PC if the games are as restriced by console hardware as people claim they are? There would be no reason whatsoever to buy a computer many times the price of a console or just a more efficiently bought PC for... the same graphics plus a tiny bit?

Yay for you?

I spent about 2500 on this one, yay for me?

Yay for everyone?

Seriously, you people need to mellow the hell out. When you become the source of my income, then you can tell me how to spend it or whether or not my spending is worthwhile.

Orzorn is saying what I'm trying to say. I'm not getting into a PC vs. Console debate. I'm wondering why so much money for a computer is needed.

I'm also glad it's not out. I don't want to spend to $$$ on a new system just for TES:V and have to wait around for them to make my old xbox original games compatible (f*** it took FOREVER to get Morrowind on the 360).

Regardless, that's off topic. As for the graphics, it's content > graphics for me. I'm happy so many of you have posted the same idea... After all, it's the content that makes it an Elder Scrolls game.

Because I can.

Personally, I like the fact that PC's can go beyond the Frame threshold instead of having a locked Framerate. I can't stand using a controller for many of my games (though certain devices can allow a keyboard and mouse to work with a console), and generally speaking one doesn't usually need to update a computer for quite a while with the right parts.

One doesn't need to spend a ton of money on a PC, but some people like building them, and some people like using the PC's capabilities--especially modding--without the need for an update for at least a few years.

In the end, its really all based on preference and what you want in a system.

Solid state drives. We all want them, few of us can afford them (maybe as a small system drive, not for data storage though!). If I won the lottery tomorrow I could easily spend $2000 just on solid state drives. Easily. The point is, it's not needed - but there is potential to spend a lot on a build if you want that sort of thing.