Yes, but then you'd have to use that Gadawful PA. I'd rather just use VATS for identifying purposes.

Well aren't you special. I'll go set up the pews so we can worship your awesomeness now. Do you prefer bells or a choir?

Isn't it funny how our new God calls a basic mechanic of the Fallout games a Cheat.

Excuse me, I need to add a pillow to the church I'm setting up for him. He can't possibly hold that hugely swollen head up for very long.

Is reading other posts also cheating, then? Several people, myself included, have described a whole range of tactics players can use with VATS.

No hardcoe FPS player will ever use VATS. That was my only point. I have said elsewhere it's useful for RPG players without FPS skills.

Those are just ways to use the built in cheat. Tactics I use work in real life as well although it's certainly not at all the same.

We all have the ultimate cheat, quicksave. I use mine.

If you're a hardcoe FPS player then why are you playing F4? No Fallout has ever been marketed as an FPS. Ever. It's an RPG with FPS elements. So don't use VATS. Cool. I don't use it all the time either and I'm not a FPS player at all. I loathe shooters. Fallouts are the only ones I play. I also rarely have issue with archery and aiming in other Beth games.

It just seems rude to refer to a basic Fallout game mechanic (VATS) over the last 3 games as "Cheating". The use of something built in to a game as one of the tools is not cheating. It's simply not. Using and exploiting the game mechanics to do an end around on the game mechanics is.

i play on survival and if i don't use VATS i get eaten alive by raiders with pipe guns

there is a thing tough , accuracy is 100 % for FPS shooting while Vats is based on Perception Accuracy so this is one reason why people feel vats is usless

I get what you're saying and agree- just most people don't call design features included in a game "cheats!" But yeah, both VATS and quicksave have saved my butt frequently. Not to mention: using VATS to find ghouls playing dead or other ambushes (saves bullets shooting every laid out ghoul you run across), and quicksave before, "I wonder if I'll die if I walk off the end of this thing," or, I wonder what happens if I press that button?"

" I have said elsewhere it's useful for RPG players without FPS skills." Again.

I have played ESO for almost the last 2 years and it has nothing to do with FPS. I have happily played the other Fallout 3D games, never using VATs and have over thousand hours in them. I have thousands of hours in Stalker as well. I have over 800 hours in Skyrim. I do get around.

I'm retired, it's my hobby.

mmm gotta love the constant infighting in the fallout community. All the bickering makes it feel like a real family

That reminds me of something that happened to me when I went to take my future wife on our first date: I was nervous about meeting her Dad and when I got to her house I heard someone playing Diablo II. When I walked by the computer room I figured out it was her Dad! To this day trading gaming stories is a huge part of our relationship.

I'm a monster who dominates the game on Survival. Have not died in several days. For me VATS is cheating. Notice the "for me".

I can do this because of quicksave. I now know how the various things work and have developed, quite on purpose, ways of dealing with them. I was dying quite a bit until I had this mostly figured out. I know how to deal with Stingwings, Assultrons and the rest of the menagerie. I should only die when I am careless at this point.

A tip. Run like hell is always the best option, if you are not in control of the fight.

If aiming was more accurate in F4, I would agree that VATS is pointless. From a distance, I'm fine with scopes and sights, but, up close, I just am not that good at FPS to be able to go without VATS. Besides, like I said, I like to see who I'm fighting before I actually run in to them. And it's good for locating those mines I'm always tromping on before I git blowed up!

Hey! A fellow EOSer! Good to meet ya! I'm guessing you're a PCer though so there's no way we'll meet in ESO (PS4). Too bad. You sound like you'd be great at it! I have (and I'm ashamed to admit it ) About 3K hours in to Skyrim and almost 1000 in ESO and hundreds in Oblivion, Fallouts, Witcher, Dragon Age and Dragons Dogma. I'm ashamed of myself. Work and gaming. So sad.

One big, dysfunctional family!

I was pleasantly surprised by ESO when it came out on PS4 (but relieved it was good after springing for the Collector's edition with the big book and Molag Bal statue).

Haven't played it lately because Fallout 4 is hogging my PS4...

Alright. What is ESO?

Elder Scroll Online- an MMO.

Multiplayer Skyrim kind of.

So true. Friend me on PS4 (id's in the signature) and we can do ESO sometime.

Elder Scrolls Online. The Tamriel MMO. Sorry. We shouldn't be talking about other games on the Fallout forum. I know it confuses people (and may be a violation of the rules!). On the plus side, they're at least from the same company.

Don't get mad moderators! I'm sorry! I won't do it again. Maybe.

A shame. My rather OP crafter suite is doing nothing but making money selling crap. That will end when my guild boots me for not being around.

Much more fun to make up good integrated sets and the attendant enchantments and potions for that level area for a friend. Making my fighters OP enough to do multiperson stuff by themselves was my little game. I'm doing a crafting heavy F4 game for the first run through.

It's crazy powerful if you have a lot of luck and/or perception.. especially luck due to the ability to rack up a bunch of banked criticals and kill everything.

Blitz is also kind of insane for an agi str melee sneaky character.

Hit it for a couple of hours over the weekend. The guilds are not doing well at the moment. They haven't been booting many recently for inactivity. The complaints on the forums are amazing.

I stop in every couple of days to drop some stuff in my guild bank just to let them know I'm stilla round.