I'm not sure what your point is Nami.

Pasta is mostly carbs.

Yeah, I know. But what do you mean by your post?

"It's not fats that make you fatter, bar saturated fats, it's carbohydrates."

A decent portion of pasta contains a lot of calories.

I have :shrug:

I need to be careful when bulking because I consume a lot of pasta and I put on fat easily.

So more calories helps you burn more carbs or something?


I have an Italian heritage and we eat pasta a lot, but no one in my family is overweight. I'm sure there are exceptions, just from my experience I've never seen it happen.

No no, it has nothing to do with that. Carbohydrates are usually calorie dense food so you need to be careful because a relatively sized portion of pasta has a lot of calories and you need to make sure it fits into your macronutrients and total calories of the day (when you're dieting at least). Pasta is excellent food when bulking up due to this fact, and it works the other way when you're cutting down. I now only eat one portion of pasta daily instead of two.

You lose fat by eating less calories than your caloric maintenance. For example, through experience, I've noticed that my caloric maintenance is around 2300-2500 calories. You can use online calculators and what not but they only provide a rough average. You learn through trial and error.

Those are commercials; whether what they're talking about "makes sense", or is "true", is not their concern. The idea is generally just to convince people that calories are a measure of evil, and then you can sell them whatever you want as long as it has fewer calories than something else. 20 calories is pretty significant, but then, if people actually lost weight they wouldn't be able to keep selling things to them.

Were you saying that there are people trying to lose weight on a 3000 calorie diet? Or were you saying that it's difficult for people who usually eat around 3000 calories to suddenly do less than that?

I just had a 12 mile practice with a 30 second sprint between each mile, so my head is completely in the clouds right now and I'm very incoherent.

You keep saying bulking up, but forget that pasta doesn't give you the protein you would need for building muscle. It gives you boatloads of energy to actually work out, but you need to have protein of some sort to efficiently build as well.

Is your recruiter OK with that? Does he think you should be doing more?

Isn't 3000 calories over the suggested amount for an advlt?

So you only eat a few hundred calories a day?

Even without working out it sounds to me like you'll be losing a lot more muscle than fat.

????
3000 calories a day would only be applicable to athletes or Antartic scientists.


Also portion control....make sure that serving of cereal and milk is exact. Rasin bran is a horrible diet cereal, try Kashi, and for crying out loud, read the nutrition panel on the side. Fat should be less than protein, sugars should be low, and avoid refined carbs.

Tesfanner is dead on about carbohydrates and pasta. Dieters should limit their pasta intake. It's starch, fat, and a bit of water.

I'm trying to gain weight now at 165, 5"11 so I eat 3000+ calories a day which isn't too hard... but I eat four full meals a day plus a 500 cal weight gainer formula and snacks, if you're trying to lose calories you should be nowhere near where I am.

And deployed soldiers. MREs pack a lotta calories.

Anyway, I don't need to eat less to lose weight, I just need to exercise more.

And lots of other people who are just trying to bulk up.

As for the OP, I'm guessing those people are doing that to gain weight. 3000 calories is hard if they're trying to get a proper ratio of proteins to fats to carbohydrates while still eating more than they're used to. Unless they're really big, I don't think it's about reducing their intake to 3000 calories per day. TESfanner looks like he knows what he's talking about.

Fiber One is also a great cereal, since it's absolutely loaded with fiber. I eat either the regular Fiber one(57% daily fiber intake in one cup), or the Honey Clusters one which still has around 40% of daily fiber in one cup.

You don't need protein to build muscle per se, you need protein to repair your muscle fibers (in layman's terms). The only way you'll put on weight is by maintaining a caloric surplus diet. Like I said, the way you portion your P/C/F will determine how much energy you'll have, cravings et cetera.



Those recommended daily percentages you find on food boxes are whack. It all depends on a person's aims, metabolism, height, weight et cetera. I really find them funny because literally everyone has different requirements according to the criteria I have just mentioned. The only way you'll know what applies to you is through trial and error. Of course, they could argue that it's just a rough estimate, but I could come up with better estimates using some of the formulas avilable, such as the Harris-Benedict formula (not so good, but the first one I remembered) or the Katch-McArdle formula, but like I said they also give rough estimates.

EDIT: Read this post to learn more about calories and macro nutrients:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=654863993&postcount=1

I'm thinking one of two things.....

A. They know nothing about food quality and lots of bad food is loaded with calories but will not fill you up.

B. They are training for something, need 3,000 calories but can't eat enough of the good food to get there without feeling like they are eating all the time.

When I was bodybuilding, I had to follow a strict calorie portioning routine.

30% daily intake before workout
30% daily intake post workout
10% daily intake 1 hour before bed
15% daily intake other meal
15% daily intake other meal

The 30% meals were easy to be happy with. The 10% was a cruel joke (an egg white?)

The 15% meals were often unsatisfying. Each meal had to be properly proportions with carbs/protien with a fat gram counting as 2 carb grams.

Got results with it, but it was murder to live with.

Kashi is better for me because it has less fat, refned sugars and carbs. I like the kashi unsweetend puffed wheat with a packet of truvia added.
I have a rather complex endocrine disorder that causes my metabolism to operate extremely efficiently, and I am not to exceed 1400 calories a day. Everyday. For the rest of my life. I get to watch people eat terrible foods with wild abandon, stay slim, and spout off about how little discipline other people have. It gets tiring.

I don't know what calories I eat a day. I thing I know, if I eat too much one day, I cut down at the next day. Mostly I eat twice a day. Breakfast and dinner. Sometimes I have 4 slices of toast in between. If I eat too much dinner, I will not be eating until 9:00am -12:00pm next day. At lunch when I feel like a sandwich, I make my own. I am pretty stable at 75kg. If I get to 80kg I be stuffed.

I always thought it was 2000 for the average woman, 2500 for the average man?

As for reaching 3000 calories, it's not hard to eat that much. Hell, I've had meals close to 1000 calories. As Tesfanner said, it all depends on you personally. Everybody is different. Me, I'm 5"9/5"10, weigh 11st. I have some fat, but not much. 30in waist, 38 chest. But as I just said, I can eat close to 3000 calories in a day if I don't watch it. I remember when I took a closer look at what I was eating last year (when I started exercising), and for breakfast I was eating 5 times the amount for the standard portion of cereal. That was just one meal out of the 3/4 I had a day, but because of the amount of exercise I was doing, I was down to 9.8st :shrug: