WRONG, I have found 6 caves alone in the first few hours, as well as tonnes of places to find, with better loot. Amazing people like quantity over quality. bethesda always sacrificed good content with a lot of stale content. Honestly, you like action games not RPG's, as NV is better in every way as an RPG then Fallout 3. If you want to roam the same tunnels with scrap metal and no quests maybe RPG's aren't your thing.

I agree with Solid. FONV is a good game, but it's not as great as FO3 for my playstyle. Nothing wrong with that, and I don't see why so many people can't accept his opinion for what it is.

The way I played FO3 was to just wander around and engage whatever I found. Sometimes I'd do quests. I've never finished the main quest, never gotten the DLC in FO3. The base game was just awesome, especially when combined with some mods. This game is empty by comparison. You can't just wander around, find a ruin, have an interesting fight with some raiders and then pick through the rubble and find something interesting, even if it is useless. Many of the ruins in FO3 that you could have fun skirmishes at were not even map marker locations. I did the quest for the plant vault yesterday, and it was pretty cool. But it was _empty_ of stuff. Completely different feel than FO3. Empty room after empty room after empty room. I've read the arguments in this and other threads that it should be empty because it's so long after the war, and I guess that's true from a realism perspective. But it isn't FUN in the same way that FO3 was fun.

Also the old-style, terrible UI is more glaring in a game like this that is a more traditional RPG. Quests are more important in FONV than FO3, so they should have improved the UI for quests. But that's another story, I guess.

I'm pretty sure I'll finish FONV like it was any other video game (not like FO3 or Oblivion), and then go get FO3 GOTY and play that instead for a long time. This game is better than the vast majority of games I play, but FO3 and Oblivion were awesome and special. This game is not in that category.

Not really. To me it was always "ugh" I have to go through this dark cave full of junk and ghouls to get where I am going.
I know there is nothing in here, just a few ghouls I can one shot.

LMAo, more meanignfull? tunnela that are all the same with no quests, just scraps of metal? Thats award winnning content there, LMAO. Ill stick with the better quests and meaningfull places instead of lots of filler like 3 had thank you. Quality > Quantity every day of the week. 3 was weak as an RPG, Nv is not.

I like RPGs, which is why I prefer NV over FO3.

While some of the locations might just be little shacks with not much in them (though they almost always have some unique or rare item hidden inside; usually skillbooks) they offer RPG use when in HC mode: beds and storage.

There was a lot of crappy small buildings in FO3, too, with absolutely nothing interesting in them or items to acquire. The only difference is, they weren't made into fast travel locations.

RPGs aren't really about exploration, anyway. At least not CRPGs; they are about the plot and character development. The exploration aspect is simply a bonus. Bethesda is OK about exploration and simple aesthetic wonders; but they, no offense, couldn't write themselves out of a paper bag.

Yeah, it suffered from the same thing oblivion did, copy and paste areas every where just for the sake of "Look, our game is big", After 2-3 dungeons you seen it all, nothing in them no payoff, no loot. Amazing people actually enjoyed that mindless grind with zero payoff. NV is much better.

I agree. I am loving FO:NV and LOVE the factions. In Fallout 3 I felt that Evergreen Mills, Fort Independence, Talon Base were so UNDERUTILIZED so I appreciate FO:NV fleshing out their signature places with quests and people, but then they seem to have dropped the ball on having large abandoned places to explore - even if just filled with ghouls, raiders etc. it is fun to see what lurks in the dark. TOO many of the places are boarded up - Horowitz Farmstead looked so cool on the approach and you cannot go in anything.

So if they learn and take the factions/numerous quests/fleshed out signature locations from FO:NV and add back in the intricate ruins to explore of FO3 we will have the epic epicness we lust for in our hearts....

BUT having said that: FO:NV and FO3 are the best games I have EVER played overall and are providing 1000s of hours (yes, thousands) so I say all this with a HUGE grain of salt and with MUCH gratitude to both development houses. FO:NV definitely has more content/quests in terms of what to do and I actually prefer that over the signature pieces of FO3 that you could basically only run n gun in.....

I have been BLOWN AWAY by the Come Fly Away with Me questline and the Planetarium Museum and the Dam and the Prison - these are all better than some of FO3's because they included actual quests..... but I miss places like the Chryslus Buildings and other places that were there just there to explore with little computer/note quests in them.....

J

okay I agree, maybe "meaningful" was a poor choice of words. LOL. But you quoted me and only spoke on just 1 or 2 things I said, without directly addressing the point I was trying to make. And then judge me based on my opinion ,saying that I don't appreciate quality over quantity. Some of you folks are funny.

But anyways, yeah. I love this game. and in my opinion, the Fallout 3 locations themselves were more interesting to explore than in New Vegas. Was just wondering if I was the only person who felt that way..

::edit:: i actually went through and read almost all 8 pages just now, and it turns out that i'm not alone.

No those locations didn't provide an epic feel. The feeling I got was that I might as well enjoy this because it's the best we're getting, for now. Exploration simply for the pursuit of redundant loot was rather a weak motivation in F3. Achieving god-like status came excessively early. The narrative lacked subtlety and was not morally ambiguous. The player was spoon-fed the weak narrative and the open world design (with a plethora of pointless loot) can't mask the fact that the core was "lite." There was very little humor in the experience. Your role was pre-set and your choices had little impact in the world.

Interesting quests that are crafted in a morally ambiguous fashion which synergize with the narrative, allowing you to role-play your character--trumps vanilla exploration and looting a multitude of meaningless locations. Sort of like comparing a six-pack of a nice craft beer with a case of watered down fizz. The latter might quench your thirst on a hot day but the former is why you enjoy a good beer in the first place.

I feel like this is a separate issue. I think the developers of FONV took a hint from the modding community and made a bunch of places that are suitable for use as bases. Great job on that. Doesn't really negate the OP's point though.

Also, I think it's more true to say you prefer a type of RPG than to make a blanket statement like you made there. I like RPG's too. I just don't think this is a great one.

I agree with your entire post, but especially with this first part. there are so many cool looking areas from far away, and you get up on them, can't access a single one. I enjoyed exploring large abandoned buildings too. I'm not finished with the story yet, but I'm already into the factions, Vegas, Nellis, etc, and not a single location has really taken more than 10 minutes or so to explore.

its a much better one the Fallout 3 was................................

That wasn't really an unmarked quest. That scary building was the conclusion of a quest from Point Lookout (if you chose the good guy option).

I bought Fallout 3 on day of release and I shudder to think how many hours I've put into that game, and I still haven't found everything there is to do. I haven't bought FNV yet, and the game is seriously beginning to sound like a lost opportunity. Oh well, how long until Fallout 4?

one thing to say. Haters be Hating.

HUh? Why, becasue a couple guys on a forum? You dont think for yourself? many people bashed fallout 3 to. NV is a better RPG in every way then 3 was, but wait, you let people think for you...........................

You and I are on EXACTLY the same page on this one (right down to the walking, I don't do it all the time but I walk a lot).

Much as I loved fall out 3, I started to find it ridiculous that I was being attacked (sometimes simultaneously) by Albino Scorpions, bands of Raiders, Yao guai, Death Claws, Robots, Enclave and god knows what else every FIFTY FEET.

It started to get cartoonish almost like a post apocolyptic Saints Row spawing endless hordes of pissed off Ronin and Sons of Samedi. It sometimes desensitized me to the combat and took away from the drama.

I think FONV is a little more realistic and gritty. The characters aren't as "memorable" I guess but that's largely because they aren't over the top caricatures. They come much closer to resembling actual people and it doesn't hurt that the voice acting is so fantastic.

I like both games and the different things they bring to the table. But I don't need to go exploring subways or dealing with a funny nutcase like Moira Brown (to name a couple complaints listed in this thread) because I ALREADY PLAYED Fallout 3.

Been there done that.

Good old Moira and her survival guide quests LOL.

And her relentless good cheer.

strangely, FO3 was MORE fps/puzzle based, and I find FNV far more of a "talking" game. If you don't talk to everyone, you're not playing it properly (and pay attention too!)

The only way your going to finish this game anytime soon is if you bypass the exploring aspect and ignoring the unmarked quests. I've put 8 hours into the game so far, I'm level 7, done 6 quests and I've found 15 locations. I'm at the Mojave Outpost in the main plot. It took me 2 hours and 20 minutes to get out of the first town, the majority of that time spent exploring and talking to the NPC's.

I was a massive fan of FO3 and I think in terms of game play and content, FONV is a big improvement. My guess is that there are "pointless" location markers everywhere to make travelling alot swifter so that you don't have to yomp for five or ten minutes when you can simple fast travel if your in a rush. Or if you want to hunt say deathclaws for supplies all you need to do is fast travel to a location very near to them. The ingredients and plants scattered around the wasteland would also be a hassle gathering without all the markers available to you for fast travelling. If there were thousands of caps or a unique item in every abandoned shack it would make exploring or saving up for equipment pointless and would defeat the object of the game.

Stop hating and just play the [censored] game

Amen Marine

It's just the sheer number of boarded up doors, and less detail put into interiors and such. In fallout 3, simply the placement of items could tell a story.

I don't think anyone is hating on the game. I don't hate the game. I think that there are some obvious differences in the quality of the game. I felt that people decided the game was better before they'd even played it because of the hype and the fallout 1 & 2 crew members. I wanted it very badly to be even better but its really just an oversized expansion. If they'd cut out all the filler content and gave us the strip and a smaller wasteland comprising of the most interesting elements of the wastes and made it downloadable content then this would be grade A piece of DLC. The best DLC package for Fallout 3. As a full game its a let down. It's like what Saints Row is to GTA. Has some core elements and cut and pasted in but it lacks style and polish and has more superficiality. I have enjoyed the game thus far but it feels like and unpolished expansion aka, Fallout Lite: Decent Enough Vegas. They clearly set their sights too high with a very grand vision of the finished product and didn't have enough time and money to flesh it all out. Bring on Elder Scrolls V and Bring on RAGE by id. No offence to anyone in love with the game. Fallout 3 blew my mind and I love it dearly and New Vegas doesn't do that and its good to be critical of things in a constructive way. It will help improve the next fallout title if they listen to gamer feedback good and bad.

Saints Row 2 > Grand Theft Auto 4

Bad anology :laugh: