Baring the fact that the Doom Marine can outrun cheetahs, mostly because cheetahs can only maintain that really fast speed for a brief amount of time, the Doom marine's major claim to fame is beating the crap out of Hell's minions.

And being able to carry a good chunk of weaponry.
But yeah, until there's a lot of information put out, the Doom Marine is much more human than the Space Marines.

If anything, he's augmented by soul spheres/ Beserk packs/invulnerability artifacts/etc/etc.
Maybe they give him the ability to carry a lot? Well, on a Beserk pack, he can punch out a Cyberdemon in less time than it takes to kill it with rockets.

I don't know. The thing is, if you really want to bring in Augmented humans, I nominate Aya Brea from Parasite Eve. Because as awesome as Samus is, she can't create nuclear (Fusion, not fission) explosions with the power of her mind, get completely engulfed in said explosion, and not end up with a single scratch.

Plus, Aya can lift up a 18 ton (More or less) railgun mounted on a Satellite.
I like to see anyone else do that, including the Doom Marine.

So, I would have to say, the Doom Marine is one of the most powerful video game men. "Rip and tear!"
But Aya trumps him and Samus, and the Space Marines. And yes, even Superman, due to his psychic weakness.

Also, unlike all previous characters mentioned, besides Superman, she can't really die, unless it's in a player controlled way. Such as being hit by too many enemies at once.
So, yeah, immunity to all forms of being killed, or just about.

Actually, I don't think that Aya classifies as Agumented- how can one be augmented if they have the same stuff as everyone else that isn't a seperate entity? Mitochondria, after all, are present in almost every living thing on earth.

Using this definition, BTW, the Midichlorians from Star Wars may count as augmentation, as they are a seperate species humans, similar to E. Coli.

Still- the ability to create a Nuclear Explosion and remain unaffected by it? Yep, that beats out Doomguy... or any Space Marine... or anything else that I can think of.

Yeah, except the Mitocrhodria in Aya are about a million billion times more advanced compared to ours.
So, maybe she could technically qualify as Augmented, I mean, she can't really die, I don't think.

I'm not certain.
But hey, she can play with Squall's gunblade from Final Fantasy 8, she can cause nuclear explosions and not be affected by them, and she can mount and use a railgun that well, knocks her backwards 60 feet everytime she fires it.
But hey, I'm certain her superhuman strength is limited to just 15 to 18 ton railguns.
I'm not sure how much it weighs, but it's huge.

I don't think she could air-juggle a Cyberdemon. "WAAH! Why are you doing this, human! Put me down! I'm getting dizzy!" :rofl:

I wonder how much a Cyberdemon does weigh...

Well, let's see. According to the Doom manual, it's three stories tall. That puts it at around thirty. How much did the Baron of Hell weigh? I think it was, like, two tons, according to the manual?

So... ballparking, probably ten tons.

Ten tons sounds light- I'd be guessing that it's closer to 100 tons.

The one from Doom 3 was a lot bigger than previous ones, or so it seemed from my perspective.

OK, a car can weigh one to two tons. If you take two stacks of fifty, that's gonna be... really [censored] tall. And that's a structure of ALL METAL. Even Cybie had its fleshy bits (that sounds wrong...)

The Cybie from Doom 3 maybe, but the original Cybie would be closer to double a Baron or Hell Knight.

What manual says the Baron of Hell weighs 2 tons?
I'm confused.

It weighs maybe double/triple a pinkie.
A Cyberdemon weighs probably around 10 tons. Even the one from Doom 3.

If it weighed 100 tons, it would never be able to move.


I don't want to think about Rule 34 for Cyberdemons. oo:

The original DOOM 1 manual, did. Or something like "weighs as much as a pickup truck." For the Barons, at least.

As for... your last sentence. Remember you said it, not me.

Heh. Yeah, I know.
I've seen worse, though. I saw rule 63 Cyberdemons.

I never read the manual, but I didn't know that. I read the strategy guide, and to be honest, I don't know why it would say they weigh that much.

News to me.
Probably incorrect data in the manual, or it's way too much based on the Doom bible, which was what the game's idea was based around, and it's complicated.

All I know, is that I've always seen the Cyberdemon weighing in at 10 tons or so, the Spider being half that, and Barons shouldn't weigh more than 1000 pounds.

Well, I'm not John Romero though. I think he would know. Also, manuals have been known to be wrong before.

Doomguy laughs at fall damage.

I always assumed demon-tissue was ultra-dense. How else would YOU explain surviving so many rockets to the face? Kinda like Alex Mercer in Prototype. When he makes a massive jump, he leaves a crater in the ground. That's 'cause all the people you're eating are making you heavier. Your health bar is pretty much "how much of you hasn't been torn off by that rocket," and that's why Alex's ultimate moves use health: how the hell else can he project a billion tentacles unless he uses a chunk of his own biomass?

That's how I justify the Baron's health, anyway. Or he could be using magic. I assume if you can shoot plasma bolts out of your hand, you can easily be protecting yourself with magic.

Er, This isn't Prototype.
This is Doom.

It's really simple.

Cyberdemons weigh a whole lot more than Barons, but there's no epic dense demon-skin.

The Cyberdemon has 4000 health, allowing it to survive upwards of 30 rockets if you're not good.
The BFG theoretically can kill it in one hit, but due to how Doom deals the BFG's damage via Random number Generating, it won't ever do it.

I mean, you're the first person on any forum to suggest that Barons weigh so much.
I mean, I think the doom community as a whole could answer you better than me. I can recommend a forum for you. I"m not John Romero, so I can't answer these questions, too much.
I can point and laugh at the instruction manual though.

Also, to annoy you even more, I have here the in game stats for the Cyberdemon.
Cyberdemon =
Speed 16 map units per frame
(186.7 map units per second)
Width 80
Height 110
Reaction time 8
Pain chance 20 (7.81%)
Pain time 10 tics
Mass 1000

Mass is rather useless in Doom, it only makes it harder to knock you back.
The Baron has the same mass.

Ok, let's pull out some science. There's a formula we can use to get an approximate measure of how much the Cyberdemon weighs. It's called the Square Cube Law. The Cyberdemon is about 5-6 times taller than a human (assuming that 3 stories is correct...) that means (6X6X6=216) it has 216 times the mass as a human- so it should weigh about 38880 lbs (17 tonnes.) However, while mass goes up by cube, strength only goes up by the square. that means (6X6=36) a Cyberdemon's bones, mucles, etc. are only 36 times stronger than that of a human.

Now, here's where it gets interesting- if the Cyberdemon is built like a human, then it has a hard time living, let alone killing. It's heart would have a difficult time trying to pump blood, and it runs a high risk of shattering it's bones by simply walking. If it's warm-blooded, it may even overheat at room temperature by standing still...

Obviously, it can't work out as a scaled-up human. Cybernetic parts may be help with this, as well as a denser muscle and skeletal structure, and a more efficient means of carrying heat away from it's body (unless it's cold-blooded. Then it doesn't need to worry.) That all affects it's total weight.

So, I'll retract my statement that the 100-tonne cyberdemon is correct, and instead say that I can see it easily hitting 20-30 tonnes, but no more.

I never heard of Strength going up by a square at all. News to me.

Judging by the size of the Balrog of Moria, does it weigh more than a Cyberdemon?

Also, where did you get the 6x6x6 thing? Where are the sixes coming from?
That's what I'm confused about.

I'm 6 foot 1 inch tall, shouldn't I have an vastly exponential strength compared to an ant?
Because uh, an ant can lift 50 times it's body weight. I can't lift up a gas tanker. Shouldn't I be able to?

I should say 17 tons is okay with me, and it's not fully human based to be honest. Partly yes, but it's a demon more than anything else. And I don't know Demon biology.
"Hey, DC comics' version of Lucifer, (who is a nice guy!) how do Cyberdemons work?" "How would I know?!"

man, you can't pull out scientific facts on fictional characters. I can easily create some character from my imagination that is immune to everything and destroys everything with one hit, and that character be the most powerful character in the universe.

Actually, the 6X6X6 is the longer form of 6³, or six cubed. If the Cyberdemon is 30 feet, and your average person is say, five feet, then the Cyberdemon is six times larger. And there we get the numbers for calculating it's mass (6³) and strength (6²) if we're using a human as a guidepost.

As for the Cube Sqare law, well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube_law and http://www.buzzle.com/articles/square-cube-law.html and http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquareCubeLaw

Oh, if you were scaled down, you would actually be stronger than an ant... but you would quickly freeze to death because you're losing more heat than you generate. And you'd have an IQ of a rock. And the ant, scaled up to your size, would die of suffocation (it can't get O₂ to it's body fast enough without lungs) and wouldn't be able to move, as it's Exoskeleton would be too flimsy at that scale. Science has to ruin stuff, eh?

And signofzeta- well, i'm giving an explanation as to how the Cyberdemon could exist using the laws of physics as we know them. It's also entirely possible that Hell in Doom messes with those physics, thus making the Square Cube Law irrelvent.

Even so, he seems to exist on Earth just fine. So I assume his cybernetic implants are helping him.

Like I said- Cybernetic Implants, Denser Bone and Muscles, and probably a heart designed to carry that much blood would be neccissary. It's not impossible for the Cyberdemon to be that size- it just can't work the way humans do.

I’ve just removed a rather large number of posts from this discussion – let’s please put some effort in to keeping this thread on topic (that is, about the Doom guy or at least characters found in Doom). Let’s also make sure we’re keeping the discussion civil, something this thread was starting to have difficulties with.

The Doomguy RULES!!! No matter where the demons of Hell show up, he's there to KICK THEIR ASSES!!! The demons of Hell just need to stop trying to overrun things! But contradicting that every time they do try to overrun things, it always gets better!

What people tend to forget is that according to all availible Doom lore the Daemons are pandimensional beings... so if they evolved in an environment where life is based on something else and not all the laws of physics don't exactly match up with this universe than something like the Cyberdaemon could easily exist...

Anyhow, I would say that Doomguy is probably one of the strongest characters in game history, but I can't say he's un-augmented.

For one thing there's all the weapons, ammo and amour he's luging arround for hours on end, without any rest or apparent strain. Then there's the fact that he survived in hell in an environment full of toxins without the benifit of environment protection.

Doomguy's real name is Doom Nukem, Duke Nukem's brother.

What do you mean by Augmented then? Super-human strength?
If that's the case Lord of Redwall, then no video game character can be considered human based on the amount of ammo they carry.
Also, uh, when was Hell toxic? Only the radioactive waste and lava, and acid, and other stuff is hazardous to his health.
Hell by itself assaults the mind more than the body. (Okay, that's kind of deep. Philosophical even.) So, maybe the Doomguy is resistant to psychic attacks?

Also, daemons? I don't know what the doom demons have to do with Unix.
In Unix and other computer multitasking operating systems, a daemon (pronounced /?de?m?n/ or /?di?m?n/)[1] is a computer program that runs in the background, rather than under the direct control of a user; they are usually initiated as background processes.

Okay, okay, so, I always heard them as demons, not Daemons.
So sue me. I forgot Latin or something has the Dae instead of De.

Rik, Duke lives in around 2013 or so, according to the calenders in Duke Nuked 3d. Yes, you can actually make out the date, to an extent.
His brother, assuming the same age would be 85-88 years old during the events of Doom. Starting at the age of 32-35.

Doom is supposed to take place in the late 2070s.
So, maybe his grandson, or his son?