In Fallout 3. Hence, retcon. It's fine if they explain it however they explain it, but I couldn't stand the hokey Good Bro style of Fallout 3's BOS. NV and 4 are closer to how they should be, imo.

It's not a retcon because nothing was changed. That's like saying NCR and the Brotherhood having a war is a retcon. It's just the story progressing.

If the Brotherhood had always been magical sunshine and bunnies, they'd be a retcon.

This,

A retcon is basically going back and changing the roots of your already establish lore. FO3 recognized that the CW Brotherhood was unlike the others, hell even elder Lyons tells you he's gone native, and against what is normal for elders. The fact they go back to their roots after Maxon takes over only proves Lyons was the oddball, and the white-knighted brotherhood couldn't last and still be the "brotherhood of steel".

I know fully well what a retcon is and making the Brotherhood USA BROS is definitely changing the overall tone of the Brotherhood from previous games. Guys...

...this has been covered in countless reviews since FO3 came out. It's not like I'm pulling this out of thin air. It's a thing. Sorry.

People should really stop saying that EC BoS was following a different ideology than the western.

They did not. Lyons did and even in FO3 it was made clear that extremely few supported Lyon's beliefs. And they were very open about their dislike for Lyons and his ways even in FO3. It was back then obvious that the new beliefs would die with Lyons.

That's not retcon, that's you not liking something.

Mmm I noticed they didn't send the full force of Bos and it don't sey were Sarah is or the rest of lions pride that we know her dad dead or as to be because of old age the only thing I can think of she could be in DC at the HQ

Sarah is K.I.A. according to a terminal.

Much sadness.

She died in combat a few years after the events of Fallout 3.

They've also excised the Lone Wanderer from BoS history.

Why would they do that they made the lone wounder a knight rank after all he or she done they erace that hero from there history even if he or she left or killed they should honor that person what they done see this doesn't make sense

Because the BOS are kind of [censored].

Some people speculate they might be the other Sentinel aside from Paladin Danse, though

The BOS after Lyons fell became conservative because it worked, their liberal policies ended tearing them apart, now they're powerful due to incorperating outsiders along with their steal it all philosophy.

They found their old dogma and sythesized it with the new dogma. Creating something that Caesar would have been proud to see. Too bad their in way over their heads. Institute can easily wipe them out, or even well organized militias funny enough.

yup, that's what happens when you invest all your time, caps, and military strength. . .into the Hindenburg. . .:shakes head:

I would let them but deep down I couldn't send by see the get Destroyed I would I fallow lions Sample not max he was rase by then some were along the line he lost is way give in the the Original Bos or Middle wast Bos ideas i would like a option To over throw Max from power and be inspired to other fallow lions example but it won't happen Heroes shouldnt be censored because it wouldn't feel right all that fight with the enclave all those brother sister if they got censored then then it wouldn't Ben in vain elder Lioyns know the odd be he stand alone with out the help of the middle west and west Bos he did along time that a man who strong-willed this max is week but that what I speculate Steel be with you I would never forget that quote

That's really only because of the simple rule that the player's chosen faction will always win. Because player.

They're not so in-over-their-heads if you side with them.

I know that but they should give me an more options instead of one round or two