Ok I like Bos and support And join them in new vages and fallout 3 I feel as if Bos is the villain now it just I don't like the new leader of the DC Bos I don't remember them being so heartless There no batter then the enclave was kill people kill I don't know I want the enclave back I want them to be the good guys put Bos in it place I just think I don't know I'm not blind kill the Railroad Was a mistake

No, no... they found it.

I know they found it but they didn't sey or was planning to interfere Was Bos so why Bos would kill them

Before I go further, this should be in the spoiler forum.

I meant they found their way. They destroyed the railroad because their ideals are NOT the same. The Brotherhood is anti-synth.

Obviously, at least FO4 stuck to the fallout vision of no one is innocent or right except instead of being a band of lovable rogues every bodies an angry sociopath these days. Seems fitting for the state of the world today.

No they are the new Improved BOS, retaining the practice of recruiting new blood into the ranks with a new purpose and drive to destroy those who threaten mankinds survival. So its Lyons' BOS and the Outcasts reformed into the Eastern (or East Coast) BOS actually doing what Lyons' BOS was always claiming to do, protecting the people by actively fighting Super Mutants, Feral Ghouls, Raiders and now Synths.

Oh and thanks for the spoiler by the way.

The BoS were never the good guys even in Fallout 3. They was just the lesser of two evils.

That said the BoS will die out sooner or later unless they change like Veronica said. They seem to be almost a none factor in New Vegas and California because they refused to change(and the NCR is killing them left and right). And if NV showed us anything they rather die being themselves before changing. And they shown they willing to allow outsiders in now. So maybe thing are looking up.

Can this topic be moved or deleted please, it doesn't belong on a no-spoiler forum.

They were never supposed to appear as "good guys" like Bethesda made them in Fallout 3.

Precisely. I absolutely hated that.

If I remember correctly originally (from f1 and f2) the brotherhood was not a bunch of nice guys. they were borderline zelots that hoarded technology for themselves and to keep it out of the hands of the masses and were really indifferent towards the rest of the world. If anything in FO3 they were given a bit of a makeover to make them more appealing in my opinion. i think in FO4 they reflect more of the original feel. I mean they aren't in boston to help the commonwealth persay, they are there to destroy the institute and claim any advanced tech they can while at the same time extending thier area of control.

It was such a bummer of a misstep & misinterpretation/retcon/whathaveyou. When you can say "Dude, even FALLOUT TACTICS got it right!" then you've obviously lost the thread. Feeling conflicted about the Brotherhood of Steel is the greatest part about the Brotherhood of Steel.

Lyons' Brotherhood was an offshoot that had ideological differences in Fallout 3. He wanted to help people and let in outsiders. Maxson took over and even though they still take outsiders, he is steering the East Coast chapter more in the direction of the main branch again.

I didn't sey how it end so sorry if I spoiled I'm sorry but it yes fight off Super mutant Raiders and ghouls but those I remember but it leadership that worng the way there doing it some things don't make sense In the story they didn't give you much options

Yes but if I recall fallout 1 they wisely tried to stay out of the power structure but they got power they got mad with it it right there they fear of lose that power to other faction there excuse of them keeping technology out of there hands

A misinterpretation would imply the developers didn't make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that the BoS of the CW were oddballs.

That they were abandoned by the WBoS and in the midst of a civil war.

It's like saying Veronica couldn't exist because she's a good person.

Pretty much this. They lost their way in FO3, and in that game it is made known they lost quite a few member when Lyons decided to put his primary mission on the back burner.

One thing I am curious about is the fate of the Outcasts. I've not dabbled in the BOS story much at this point, since they're continually trying to murder me.

I mean really, one Fatman to Danse's face, and they hate me for life. I was just trying to say hello.

slash retcon slash whathaveyou.

What is amusing is that their current way isn't that far a step from how they were in F3.

Me and others speculated that this was the direction they would take. Called it!

F3 East Coast chapter weren't good guys, it is very obvious that they weren't the white knights that some try to portray them as, they had plenty of grey in them.

From the CANONICAL F1 ending:

The Brotherhood of Steel helps the other human outposts drive the mutant armies away with minimal loss of life, on both sides of the conflict. The advanced technology of the Brotherhood is slowly reintroduced into New California, with little disruption or chaos. The Brotherhood wisely remains out of the power structure, and becomes a major research and development house.

State of Maxson, jus sayin'.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Maxson_%28state%29

All this: Oh, they were ALWAYS xenophobic, isolationist tech hoarders is just silly talk.

The giving the Vault dweller brotherhood combat armor, a choice of minigun, laser pistol or a rocket launcher to name a few endgame weapons or making a copy of the vertibird plans for the Chosen One are mere minor inconsequential anomalies that one does not need to pay any heed to.

Little things like having an initiate needing rescue in the Hub, a settlement that it has contact with through regular trading caravans or Maxson II getting killed by the Vipers which led to said regular caravans getting set up in the first place just screams sitting in our bunker hoarding tech and being all xenophobic and isolationist, doesn't it?

The BoS were NEVER the "good guys", in F1 they sent the Vault Dweller on a suicide mission to the Glow and were overall mistrustful and secretive.

Danse's armor has an Outcast color scheme, so one can assume that they absorbed them into their own ranks after "reforming."

TBH, I didn't pay that much attention to his armor. I'll have to take another look sometime when I'm not at war with them.

the brotherhood is anti anything thats not them. you should hear some of the anouncements on the airship. they are very close to a cult mentality. If you do want to destroy them though make sure you buy everything the vendor has, but make sure you have lots of caps.

he has a few shipments on stock

Maxson became Elder of the BoS by negotiating the Outcasts return to the EBoS on behalf of the Lost Hills Elders.

The brotherhood are as they should be.

Humanity was once brought to the brink of extinction, that which threatens humanity, be it unresrainted scientific hubris, or wasteland abominations, is an enemy.

They are a neo-knightly order, and highly zealous. All this means is that they truly believe in their cause, and do not waver in it to tally up exceptions. From what I've seen, for ever 1 sentient ghoul, you run into 20 feral ones. For ever rare peacable super mutant, their are hundreds who will try to kill people, or dip them in the FEV. For Every Danse, their are thousands of synths who are controlled by the institute, who replace people, who wipe out settlements.

Maxon is simply adhering to what he interprets the codex ethics to be. He isn't evil, or a dictator, he's a militant leader, leading how he believes is the best way to keep humanity safe, that means confiscating and studying dangerous technology, and irradiating the dangerous anti-humans of the wasteland.

Yes, they are xenophobic. They would prefer if if everyone in the brotherhood would keep it in the brotherhood. (Have families with other people in the brotherhood.) But they know, they can't sustain themselves as a strong military force that way. So people get recruited now. Less easily then in FO3, but more easily then FO1. All it takes is a sponsor.

It was in the game. The Brotherhood Outcasts are kind of proof positive they knew what they were doing.

Likewise, all the terminals which talk about how Elder Lyons was disliked and outright hated/abandoned by the Lost Hills Elders.

They're a renegade splinter group from the very beginning.