Not really. When the time breaks and repairs, the memories of dragons changes to fit the changed time because they are too related to time, and they can't remember anything about the difference before and after the change: they can't even understand and recognize the change, just like they can't understand the meaning of mortal.

So when Alduin lost his status of aspect in a dragonbreak, dragons cannot understand Alduin used to be an aspect of Borhamu, they only consider him the first born.

The same when Akatosh rose himself to an individual aspect of Borhamu through a dragonbreak. The dragons cannot understand the time that Akatosh was not an aspect or even not born. They consider Akatosh as an aspect exists from the very beginning of time.

Alduin seems to be the name he hated, calling it his shed skin, in the same way he cursed Sep.

I'd say their memories can't be destroyed, but they can be hidden deep.

Or Akatosh is a made up name for Borhamu. A rose by any other name

We've been over this like a dozen times. Dragons are susceptible to time warps so they only remember the current timeline. In the current timeline, there was an Akatosh, so no dragon remembers a time when there wasn't, unlike humans who do.

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I gave my girl some fartblooms the other day.

Why would the dragons only know Alduin, who causes the kalpa cycle, as the original version? Would they not be just as confused by Alkosh and Auriel as they are by Alduin?

None the less, Alduin managed to convince the Khajiit he was Alkosh.

Nope

A few hundred dragons= Significantly less powerfull than akatosh.

That's kind of ignoring all the well-established lore bits we've been bringing up in this thread. It's in no way a question of the dragon souls thing, or if it is it's pretty certain the number is irrelevant, as Tiber Septim apparently didn't absorb all that many (not a lot of stories of Tiber Septim, Dragonslayer).

Well, Martin Septim managed to become an Avatar of Akatosh capable of defeating Dagon's true form by absorbing the dragonsouls stored within the Amulet of Kings.

Anybody have a rough idea of how many souls there might have been in there?

If he does ascend, do you think he'll take the form of a dragon? His true form? And a Draconic god name? And for personality, I think after he aborbs so many Dragons he'll walk more like them than anything. But we'll have to wait for more DLC to come out to be sure what he'll ascend to.

Assuming all were indeed Dragonborn: Twenty-two Septims, Five Remans, and at least 4 Imperators from the 1st Empire.

So the Dovahkiin is long overdue...

All those dragonsouls, and Martin puts them all into levelling Fire Breath.

I really want to see a full out dragon's Fus Ro Dah, or maybe Ice Form.

The Dovahkiin has the strongest Thu'um. They just restricted it for gameplay reasons.

So Pelinal forgot to reload a save after his rampages?

He was one of those noobs who only keeps one save, and forgets to grab the Talos blessing before the final boss.

Lorkhan and his avatars:
1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
N

I believe this is a bit of info that MK let slip at one point in the past. Looking at the Arcturian Heresy, all six of these names appear in it. Is it possible we are repeating this list, and if so are we finishing it? If that is the case, then the only one who can take the final letter is the Dragonborn.

Now, I'm looking at the events of Skyrim. Wulfharth sounds quite a bit like Ulfric, and interestingly, the Tribunal in the modern retelling is replaced by the Thalmor if this is true. However, the same also holds true if the current Emperor is also Wulfharth.

All of this is going to hinge on why it is that the conquering warlord Hjalti and the emperor Tiber Septim seem like different people. The simple answer is that they probably are different people. It's compounded further by the text http://www.imperial-library.info/content/battle-sancre-tor, which suggests that Talos is again an entirely different person if you reconcile the Heresy with it.

It seems that Talos the conquerer may truly have been from Atmora, while Hjalti was from High Rock. They fought on opposite sides to a totally inconclusive result. Then someone named Tiber Septim takes the throne, and text suggest that either could have been. Yet Tiber is entirely removed in personality from the other two. That means a third person enters the fray, and becomes the modern Tiber.

Somewhere through all of this, I believe that Delphine and Esbern play a role in this modern retelling, but I cannot fathom what.

Heheheh, that's actually a really good one.




I can't believe I didn't think of that list when people were saying Hjalti, Arctus and Co. had little to do with Lorkhan.

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My take on the Atamora thing is that it would simply denote a national origin, meaning that he's Nord, Cyrod, or possibly Breton -- basicly anything but mer or beast. So we don't know that.

That's very insightful. Should the "Out of Atmora" theory be understood Out of Man?

Not all humans are form Atmora. Cyros apparently aren't, as well as Redguards and Kothringi / other tribal humans.

This is like the second or third time for you TengenToppa lobbing unnecessary insults at me in an attempt to prove a falsehood.

You have no clue at all what you are talking about...yet you spend time making bizarre statements

TengenToppa you are confused, and the worst part is that you are refusing to learn....


Cuchulain is not Tiber Septim or Zurin Arctus....infact if your understanding is this poor no one can help you...

Indeed, all of the myths agree that Cuchulain was Tiber's emperor. And of course, Cuchulain is not mentioned in the list of Lorkhan's Avatars.

And regarding that list, it has the oversoul Talos in the middle. Wulfharth, Hjalti, and Ysmir are in one group, while Arctus, Septim, and ??? are in the second group. I wonder if there is any connection? Grouped according to enantiomorph?