Dovahkiin's Ascension to Godhood

Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:30 am

Many people (especially me) speculate that the Dovahkiin, with his Dragon Soul x100, is being set up to ascend as another Talos figure... but now that he can become a vampire lord and feed off mortal souls in the Soul Cairn... What if he becomes a Daedra? He breaks away from Mundus, plants himself in Oblivion and he makes a realm of his own? What if he turns out to be more of a dike than we thought?

What do you think his sphere would be? Do you think it's a possibility? What form would he take? Do you like the idea? How do you think the other Daedra/Mortals/Dragons would react? Would he malevolent or benevolent? Would you worship him in the next game?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:34 am

Then he'll become best buds with Sheogorath.

EDIT: More seriously, the whole "eating mortal souls" thing reminds me a lot of what Alduin does in Sovngarde. Perhaps Dovahkiin becomes the new World-Eater?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:58 am

What if he dies on the toilet while eating a hamburger
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:30 am

What if he dies on the toilet while eating a hamburger

Then he will begin his ascension. I assume he will ascend after he dies.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:01 pm

Many people (especially me) speculate that the Dovahkiin, with his Dragon Soul x100, is being set up to ascend as another Talos figure... but now that he can become a vampire lord and feed off mortal souls in the Soul Cairn... What if he becomes a Daedra? What if he breaks away from Mundus and plants himself in Oblivion? What if he makes a realm of his own? What if he turns out to be more of a dike than we thought?

Interesting.. Supposing the Thalmor succeed in eliminating Talos and the DB is the only one capable of taking on the role of holding everything (the Wheel? the Tower?) together?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:34 am

It's just a strange and interesting thought that I came up with that seems like a possibility. A distinct possibility.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:31 am

What if he dies on the toilet while eating a hamburger
Well that was a, whopper of an idea.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:02 am

Are Dragon Souls bound to Mundus in any particular way?

Another random thought: Could the Dovahkiin become a Lich? How big would a soul gem have to be for him? Liches have to soultrap themselves right?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:22 pm

Are Dragon Souls bound to Mundus in any particular way?

Another random thought: Could the Dovahkiin become a Lich? How big would a soul gem have to be for him? Liches have to soultrap themselves right?

A black soul gem would probably suffice. Anyway yes the dragonborn could probably become a lich.

I don't see him or her becoming the next Talos however, or at least not replacing Talos, perhaps mantling, fusing, merging whatever but not replacing. And definitely not becoming a new Daedric prince...
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:10 am

I didn't mean replacing Talos. I meant ascending to godhood like Talos and being worshipped like Talos.

And Dragon Souls are too large to be contained by a standard black soul gem. Especially since the Dovahkiin has more than a couple dozen Dragon Souls inside of him.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:08 pm

I didn't mean replacing Talos. I meant ascending to godhood like Talos and being worshipped like Talos.

And Dragon Souls are too large to be contained by a standard black soul gem. Especially since the Dovahkiin has more than a couple dozen Dragon Souls inside of him.

Then take Azura's star, there is nothing that baby can't contain. Also how do you know a dragon soul is to large? You never get the chance to soul trap one during Skyrim. You take preverence over soul gems.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:53 am

I don't see him or her becoming the next Talos however, or at least not replacing Talos, perhaps mantling, fusing, merging whatever but not replacing.

I think I meant mantling. My understanding of the term is still fuzzy, so I hesitate to use it.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:40 am

If the Dragonborn mantled Talos, then the Dragonborn would cease to exist. That would be lame. This is a chance for him to have a large impact on the storylines and lore of the next games.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:47 am

If the Dragonborn mantled Talos, then the Dragonborn would cease to exist. That would be lame. This is a chance for him to have a large impact on the storylines and lore of the next games.

Which can and won't happen, because for you the dragon born is a male Nord for somebody else it's a female Khajiit. For you he might be an honorable person for somebody else it's a thief and murderer. For some they do everything for others only one or two smaller things ignoring the rest.

A god will have a personality, and that personality can not be given, as each player creates one for him or herself.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:44 am

Many people (especially me) speculate that the Dovahkiin, with his Dragon Soul x100, is being set up to ascend as another Talos figure... but now that he can become a vampire lord and feed off mortal souls in the Soul Cairn... What if he becomes a Daedra? He breaks away from Mundus, plants himself in Oblivion and he makes a realm of his own? What if he turns out to be more of a dike than we thought?


1. The Dragonborn does not get more power from absorbing Dragon Souls. He only gains more knowledge abou the Thuum. The Thuum alone does not make one a god.
2. The Vampire Lord eats souls for sustenance. Eating food does not make you a god.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:31 am

Maybe, just as Mannimarco by ascending to the Godhood(Wormhood? :biggrin:) become a Necromancer's Moon, our Hero would become a Moon/Planet named let's say: the Dragon's/Adventurer's/Hero's/Sweetroll Moon. And any future NPC(good or bad) would pray to it:D

1. The Dragonborn does not get more power from absorbing Dragon Souls. He only gains more knowledge abou the Thuum. The Thuum alone does not make one a god.

He merges his souls with their souls. My doing so with a n-number of divine beings he would become a one of them.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:40 am

Because Talos is actually not just a man but is men, my theory is that Dragonborn will be absorbed/mantled into the Talos collective.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:25 am

But the Talos connection couldn't stand unless the Dragonborn is a man, which as stated above can't be definitely said about a PC. Would it work if the Dragonborn was to become a new avatar of Akatosh? Destroying a dragon and taking its place in Akatosh's being has a certain appealing symmetry, and doesn't have the racial restrictions that Talos does (as PCs can't be dragons, if one race can become one then any race can).
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:01 am

Why would race matter? Mantling is determined by action. If it acts like a Talos and walks like a Talos and quacks like a Talos, then it's a Talos.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:13 pm

If the Dragonborn mantled Talos, then the Dragonborn would cease to exist. That would be lame. This is a chance for him to have a large impact on the storylines and lore of the next games.

Nope. Dragonborn would be struttin' large in heaven, with Talos et all. following suit.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:11 am

im under the impression that as the main character in any elder scrolls game you are already a god thats unstoppable because you can kill an entire army of say imperials pretty much single handedly
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:04 am

so i hope that they have like a thalmor invasion because then i could by myself, kill their entire army and show them that the dovakiin aint scared of [censored]
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:31 pm

Which can and won't happen, because for you the dragon born is a male Nord for somebody else it's a female Khajiit. For you he might be an honorable person for somebody else it's a thief and murderer. For some they do everything for others only one or two smaller things ignoring the rest.

A god will have a personality, and that personality can not be given, as each player creates one for him or herself.

That's what Dragon Breaks are for, and Dragon Breaks are involved every single time someone ascends to godhood or otherwise messes with divinity (and KILLING THE WORLD EATER WHILE INSIDE SOVNGARDE definitely qualifies). What happened at Red Mountain?

And while I know that, for the most part, the theory that Talos was a Nord is the most widely accepted theory at this time, weren't there, earlier in the series, rumblings that both the Bretons and the Cyrodils made claims to Tiber Septim's origin, as well? Given what we know about his physical appearance (which is to say, nothing at all) he could even have been a Redguard... though I'm not aware of any in-game claims to that effect. His origin as an Elf of any kind is unlikely... but what was Zurin Arctus? And how does Hjalti Earlybeard fit in to all this? And did Vivec somehow get in on this action?

What I'm saying is that, in the long run, the identity of the Dragonborn doesn't matter--only the fact of the Dragonborn.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:36 am

That's what Dragon Breaks are for, and Dragon Breaks are involved every single time someone ascends to godhood or otherwise messes with divinity (and KILLING THE WORLD EATER WHILE INSIDE SOVNGARDE definitely qualifies). What happened at Red Mountain?
This. This is how Kyne and Kynereth, Akatosh and Alduin, Shor and Shezzar, etc. are different gods. Indeed, Red Mountain too (although MK explained through picture-song what really happened).

And while I know that, for the most part, the theory that Talos was a Nord is the most widely accepted theory at this time, weren't there, earlier in the series, rumblings that both the Bretons and the Cyrodils made claims to Tiber Septim's origin, as well? Given what we know about his physical appearance (which is to say, nothing at all) he could even have been a Redguard... though I'm not aware of any in-game claims to that effect. His origin as an Elf of any kind is unlikely... but what was Zurin Arctus? And how does Hjalti Earlybeard fit in to all this? And did Vivec somehow get in on this action?
There are some texts that say he was a Breton. Or a Nord born of Bretons or something. Or even Atmoran. But the majority of the texts point to Breton. Hjalti Early-Beard is Tiber Septim who became (1/8th of) Talos.

What I'm saying is that, in the long run, the identity of the Dragonborn doesn't matter--only the fact of the Dragonborn.
Bingo. Talos was the same. The actions of the deity "Talos" were actually the actions of Hjalti, Zurin, and Wulf(forget the rest of his name).
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:09 pm

Free will, individuality, and PR. Much to his own disgust, his worshipers would build his shrines in the image of the Nord poster boy that is on everything Skyrim related. His quests would involve handing out bounties for the jarls.

Now, my personal Dovakhiin would become the Prince of knowledge through experience and allegiance to the self. This includes painful, emotionally numbing, horrible, awful experiences as well. He detests oaths, and despises any who alter themselves in order to keep their faction/temple/supersixysloadoverlord happy. The things he puts people through vary from person to person, and he seeks only to teach what he feels needs to be taught. Jyggalag despises him, Molag Bal despises him, Boethiah, Mephala, and Sheogorath are his allies, and everybody else is indifferent. He has a fascination with Vaermina's Quagmire, and is working out a way to enter it; no other place can produce such utterly horrifying experiences, and even he has not seen, heard, tasted, or felt such things.
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