Dovahkiin equipped with Goldbrand ?

Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:47 pm

Usually I don't take the time to read all the books from the Elder Scroll Series but while starting a new character I accidently stumbled across this entry from "Tamrielic Lore" in Brumas Mages Guild.

Goldbrand

This magical Sword is almost
a complete mystery. Thieves
tell tales about its golden
make and how it was actually
forged by ancient dragons of
the North
. Their tales claim
that it was given to a great
knight who was sworn to
protect the dragons
. The
Sword lends its wielder the
ability to do fire damage on
an enemy. Goldbrand has not
been sighted in recent history
and is said to be awaiting a
worthy hero.

Seems like Dovahkiin lost Goldbrand during a battle he fought and could not win, because our hero in Oblivion is actually able to get his mystic sword. I wonder if anyone has any interesting facts about when and what actually happened while Goldbrand was lost in Tamriel. I wonder if your character will meet Dovahkiin having his sword back or if you have to slain him with his own weapon(s). While thinking about a possible armor he could wear .. Dragonbone Mail comes to mind. Off to play some more ES .. :-)
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:48 pm

Usually I don't take the time to read all the books from the Elder Scroll Series but while starting a new character I accidently stumbled across this entry from "Tamrielic Lore" in Brumas Mages Guild.

Goldbrand

This magical Sword is almost
a complete mystery. Thieves
tell tales about its golden
make and how it was actually
forged by ancient dragons of
the North
. Their tales claim
that it was given to a great
knight who was sworn to
protect the dragons
. The
Sword lends its wielder the
ability to do fire damage on
an enemy. Goldbrand has not
been sighted in recent history
and is said to be awaiting a
worthy hero.

Seems like Dovahkiin lost Goldbrand during a battle he fought and could not win, because our hero in Oblivion is actually able to get his mystic sword. I wonder if anyone has any interesting facts about when and what actually happened while Goldbrand was lost in Tamriel. I wonder if your character will meet Dovahkiin having his sword back or if you have to slain him with his own weapon(s). While thinking about a possible armor he could wear .. Dragonbone Mail comes to mind. Off to play some more ES .. :-)


Well if Goldbrand is indeed the Dragonborns sword I dont think the Dragonborn would ever meet the hero of Cyrodiil to retrieve it. The hero of Cyrodiil was alive a long time before the events of Skyrim which we know will take place after those of the infernal city, so chances are -- the Hero is dead or like the Neravar incarnate, MIA. If the Hero did indeed have Goldbrand in his/her possession up until his/her death, then we would probably assume that like many unique weapons (for example, the mace of molag bal) the weapon would dissapear into obscurity until once again a worth hero may claim it to wield.

When you think about it, the weapons the Daedra gift us after their quests are merely rentals, to be returned upon death. Thankfully late fee's don't apply.
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:17 pm

There are no timeline issues here. Goldbrand and all the artifacts for that matter (particularly those having anything to do with the Daedra) in TES have a pesky habit of vanishing from their current owner/location, and then unexpectedly popping up elsewhere...as if they have a mind of their own. :o Boethiah rewarded it to both the PCs of Morrowind and Oblivion.
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:50 pm

How do we know Dovahkiin was sworn to protect the dragons?
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:21 pm

How do we know Dovahkiin was sworn to protect the dragons?


You are right .. I should have reviewed the trailer before I made this post. I thought I had in mind that the dragon is resurrecting the Dragonborn but if you follow the narrator he's telling that he is "the one they fear". Which is even more confusing because I just read on UESP:

Talos, Tiber Septim, the Dragonborn

Heir to the Seat of Sundered Kings, Talos is the most important hero-god of Mankind. He conquered all of Tamriel and ushered in the Third Era (and the Third Empire). Also called Ysmir, 'Dragon of the North'. One of the Nine Divines, the major gods of Tamriel. Less prominent sects, such as the Talos Cult have been inspired by his apotheosis.

Ain't he already dead ? Dovahkiin = Dragonborn = Tiber Septim ? Or a possible sibling which might explain that there are 2 Dragonborns ? And if so, is he a god too ?
Let the discussion begin .. :]


Edit: Asking Jauffree after the defeat of Mehrunes Dagon about Martin, he will express his admiration: "He truly was the Dragonborn... the last, and perhaps the greatest of all the Septims."

Which implicates that every Septim is a Dragonborn, so who exactly is Dovahkiin ? Which one from the Septim family do we miss ?
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:42 pm

You are right .. I should have reviewed the trailer before I made this post. I thought I had in mind that the dragon is resurrecting the Dragonborn but if you follow the narrator he's telling that he is "the one they fear". Which is even more confusing because I just read on UESP:

Talos, Tiber Septim, the Dragonborn

Heir to the Seat of Sundered Kings, Talos is the most important hero-god of Mankind. He conquered all of Tamriel and ushered in the Third Era (and the Third Empire). Also called Ysmir, 'Dragon of the North'. One of the Nine Divines, the major gods of Tamriel. Less prominent sects, such as the Talos Cult have been inspired by his apotheosis.

Ain't he already dead ? Dovahkiin = Dragonborn = Tiber Septim ? Or a possible sibling which might explain that there are 2 Dragonborns ? And if so, is he a god too ?
Let the discussion begin .. :]

I think Dragonborn can mean anyone of the Septim bloodline. Another long lost son :o. Or that story is just one of the past, in which Tiber Septim helped or killed the dragons.
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:08 am

I think Dragonborn can mean anyone of the Septim bloodline. Another long lost son :o. Or that story is just one of the past, in which Tiber Septim helped or killed the dragons.


Damn .. You was faster .. :D
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:32 pm

The hero of Cyrodiil was alive a long time before the events of Skyrim which we know will take place after those of the infernal city


And how do we know this? The timeline of the events of Skyrim that is. It hasn't been revealed exactly when it will be taking place.
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:49 am

And how do we know this? The timeline of the events of Skyrim that is. It hasn't been revealed exactly when it will be taking place.


The few quotes from the trailer may give a hint about the time:

"They're already here."
"The Elder Scrolls told of their return."

Found no clue yet where exactly in the ES is a hint for their return.

"Their defeat was merely delay"
Their (Dragons) population in Akavir was killed by the Tsaesci, whereas the dragons in Vvardenfell were overrun by the invading cliff racers. It was rumored that they moved closer to Cyrodiil, and it may be for this reason that dragons are sacred to the Empire. The legends tell of their aid during wars in exchange for shelter.

"Til the time after Oblivion opened,"
"When the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood."

After quarrels from the rivalries of the Ysgramor clan however, Skyrim weakened and separated into multiple states during the War of Succession.

1E 369 - 1E 420

When King Borgas of Skyrim was killed by the "Wild Hunt" in 1E 369 the Moot, arbiters of the succession, failed to choose the obvious canditate, Jarl Hanse of Winterhold, and sparked a civil war.

The war was disastrous for Skyrim: it lost the provinces of High Rock, Morrowind and Cyrodiil and cities such as Windhelm were sacked. In 1E 420, the Pact of Chieftains brought an end to the conflict.


The Oblivion crisis took place in the 3rd era (3E 433), but the Sons of Skyrim battled each other during the 1st era (1E 369 - 1E 420). I'm sure the planes of Oblivion already existed during that era since Jauffre told us:

"Close shut the jaws of Oblivion"...?"

"His meaning is unclear to me as well. The Emperor seemed to perceive some threat from the demonic world of Oblivion. The Prince of Destruction, Mehrunes Dagon, is one of the lords of Oblivion. But the mortal world is protected from the daedra of Oblivion by magical barriers."

Edit: The Book "On Oblivion" quotes: "It is improper, however customary, to refer to the denizens of the dimension of Oblivion as “demons.” This practice probably dates to the Alessian Doctrines of the First Era prophet Marukh -- which, rather amusingly, forbade “trafficke with daimons” and then neglected to explain what daimons were."

Could it be possible that the Oblivion reference during the trailer doesn't mean the Oblivion crisis from TES IV ? Maybe "Oblivion opened" happened already before in the 1st era and the Dragons helped closing back then ?
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:52 pm

I actually considered this a while back when theorizing on Boethiah's involvement in Skyrim's main plot line.
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:14 pm

Protect the dragons? Dude, he's the one who fights them. So I think not.
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:29 pm

I think Dragonborn can mean anyone of the Septim bloodline. Another long lost son :o. Or that story is just one of the past, in which Tiber Septim helped or killed the dragons.


Another long lost son would just be dumb. Seriously. It happened like that in Oblivion as I'm sure you already know... It would be really bad if it happened in Skyrim as well. Really bad.

Dragonborn needs to be someone else, like a reincarnation. That was a long time ago since Morrowind, and I'm ready to see it again :)
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Post » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:31 pm

Another long lost son would just be dumb. Seriously. It happened like that in Oblivion as I'm sure you already know... It would be really bad if it happened in Skyrim as well. Really bad.

Dragonborn needs to be someone else, like a reincarnation. That was a long time ago since Morrowind, and I'm ready to see it again :)

1. I was joking.
2. Another reincarnation would be just as bad.
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