So that's just a thought I had...

Dovahkiin certainly has the power to create an army of angry Nords and conquer Tamriel, he also knows Dragon Shouts, and he is a Dragon Born - someone fit of the title of Emperor. Also,

Do you think that can possibly happen?

It's also why I think Dragonborn choosing to help Ulfric's rebellion is more canon than helping the Empire - Both Ulfric and Dovahkiin with an army of Nords that know no surrender marching onto Cyrodiil to reclaim it and then straight to Summerset Isle - the heart of the Aldmeri Dominion, or through Elsweyr to weaken the Thalamor. I'm sure that when Hammerfell and High Rock would see the Nords, led by a Dragonborn and another guy who knows how to use the Voice they'll join the cause.

Now for the more lorish stuff --> if that would happen, and the Dovahkiin manages to destroy the Aldmeri dominion and reconquer the whole of Tamriel, would he mantle (into?) Tiber Septim?
Or even way before that *SKYRIM END OF THE GAME SPOILERS*


It's probably just another one of my wrong ideas, but I won't know until you tell me :3

Cheers,
Magico

i don't think he is.

Why do you think so?

Personally I think Dovahkiin is Shor, and whomever the Dovahkiin favours (either Tulius/Stormcloak) will become Tiber Septim/Talos, and start a new/Renew the Empire.

Possible? I suppose, but not likely. Emperor is a very public position and doesn't mesh well with the general disapearing hero bit. Id doubt people would forget the race, name and everything but the heros deeds like other heros have.

On top of that, not everyone wants that position for their character, and.really just doesn't jive well with the status quo.

Edit: as for the other races of men hoping on board for.Tiber reborn, well forget that. Tiber had to force Tamriel to his rule, those who are now.independent wouldn't give it up for the tyrants return.

i think the dragonborn is an aspect of shor, i think that the db will probably do what the shezzerines of old did, help start kingdoms and abandon them, wander around doing impressive stuff. Seems like everyone wants to say the db is talos reborn, but isn't talos just an avatar (or maybe just teh face) of lorkhan?

They're different avatars of Lorkhan, with different narratives.

Mhmm, there is a difference. Wulfharth/Ysmir/Pelinal, for example, are avatars of Shor. Talos is a mantling of Shor, partially caused by an avatar of Shor (the divine Enantiomorph, Hjalti/Zurin/Wulfharth who became Talos).

Other than one ghost who calls you Hjalti in-game, however, all of this "the DB is an avatar of such-and-such" business is speculation for now. But yes, some eyebrows are being raised.

Yea that makes sense! But wouldn't Ulfric be a better choice than Tulius? He is much more similar to Tiber Septim, no?

Also, if Dovahkiin is Shor (by that I take it you mean mantled Shor right? he is not Shor, but a Shezarin or something, no?), is that why the dead in Sovngarde were talking about how Shor's throne is empty? (The Dovahkiin, after his death, will 'fill' Shor's throne?)

More canon to join the Stormcloaks? You do know that the Imperial presence is the only thing keeping the Aldmeri Dominion from subjugating Skyrim, right?

Destroying Imperial presence -> Ulfric isolating his forces to Skyrim -> Aldmeri crush the entire province Hold by Hold -> Enslavement of all Nords -> Cheese for no one.

If the Thalmor have enough military power to do so, they'd have started invading already. The Thalmor are just as bad,if not worse off, militarily right now than the kingdom of men. They're a paper tiger, only trying to discredit, demoralize, and get under people's skin.

Also, Skyrim looks largely independent to begin with, militarily. It's the empire that needs Skyrim. Plus, if the Domain invade, the kingdoms of men will band together, as they hate the mer more than themselves.

Who is to say what is and isn't canon at this point? Maybe it will be canon that the Empire crumbles and the Aldmeri Dominion dominates Tamriel?

Thats very unlikely to happen, because it would mean the end of TES. The Thalmor's goal of world destruction makes it obvious that somewhere down the line they will fail. TES always seems to favor the human races. If the Thalmor rule Tamriel then all humans would either be enslaved or killed so you wouldnt be able to play as one in the next game. They're not just going to eliminate 4 races from Nirn.

They might, your game might begin as you being an escaped slave, or a nice Altmer freeing you or something... if you start as Human.
If you start as Elf or other races you'll simply be in jail for whatever reason Like in OB

Where I hope thie whole thing is going is the restoration of a Dragonborn Emperor to the throne of the Empire and the breaking of the Thalmor.

I recently read that Skyrim contains a rough landmass encompassing mainland Morrowind, Cyrodiil and Hammerfell. It would be interresting if the Dragonborn storyline only BEGINS with the events of Skyrim and continues with his campaign to restore the Empire to its propper state. The final chapter of it could involve actually becoming the current Emperor's greatest general, standing beside him in direct rebellion against the Thalmor. The emperor could fall in batte but Dovahkiin survives and by the emperor's last decree becomes his successor. A Dragonborn Emperor would once again sit on the throne, and would revoke the ban on the worship of Talos, thus binding Skyrim to the Empire firmly once more.

As I see it, such a path would be possible regardless of whether Dovahkiin joined the Stormcloaks or the Imperial Legion. After all, both empire and stormcloaks were threatened by Alduin. So Dovahkiin would be seen as a champion by followers of both factions. Tensions between the two would remain in effect until/unless the Thalmor are defeated and the ban on Talos worship, which was the catalyst for the rebellion, is lifted. The Jarls would all support Dovahkiin. And we see with the assasination of the King of Skyrim that it is the Jarls who really rule the land.

Anyway... It would be awesome if we get more out of the ultimate end of Dovahkiin's story than just a suit of Imperial Dragon Armor. How about being gifted with a new Amulet of Kings and when we equip it, it doesn't slip off?

Dovahkiin by divine purpose. Emperor by divine decree...

Just my two Septims worth...

Ok can someone properly explain shezzarines? Also who says the arcturian heresy is accurite? I mean its almost like the old argument about alduin/akatosh which was jist laid to rest. Remember that lore means nothing unless we see it, especially if theres multiple sides. I prefer the "official" Talos story over the heresy myself but with all the reincarnations and such within the series who knows.

Shezzarines are avatars of Shor



1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
7. ?????? N (Dovahkiin?)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://skyriminfo.weebly.com/my-theory-unofficial.html I liked this theory
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/shezzarines-lorkhan-underking-connections and another one O:

But when was it stated that the dovahkiin is a shezzarine? All I have seen is vague, with references to things outside of the series as the proof. On that note who has said the heresy is the truth? I keep seeing people say that and I have been going through the lore everywhere and have yet to truly see what is being said here.

In one of the lore books that actually is sitting out in that tutorial dungeon as you fight through the dungeons of Helgen Keep right at the beginning of the game, they talk about the relation of dragonborn to the Imperial royal line. http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-book-dragonborn

Basically, it seems like there are oftentimes more than one dragonborn running around in the world at the same time, and they don't necessarily have to be emperors, but being dragonborn was a key part of that whole "Lighting the Dragonfires" business that was required to be emperor. Being dragonborn also doesn't seem to be hereditary, but rather, is given out however and whenever the gods please.

I don't mean to be rude, but how is that connected with the Dovahkiin (The protagonist in Skyrim) = Tiber Septim, or Dovahkiin = Shor? :S

And we all read the book haha

The Heresy is interesting, and a lot of people tend to just assume that (at least part of) it's true. There was one moment in-game where a ghost .

When and where?

Old Hroldan. Sleep in Tiber Septim's room.

No. The main character of this game is his own separate person.