People arn't "writing it off". We're expressing concern about changes in the next game that we dont believe may be for the best, the same way a Halo fan would be concerned if they were told the next game takes place on the Planet Fluffy as the friendly Rabbit folk battle the Covenant with an array of decorative bowls and flowers.

Wish I had that kind of optimism. Right now, it's too early to say what Bioware's planning, but a lot of people do like ME's voiced Shepard, and have expressed a wish to see that in DA and/or other games.


The required surname is nothing new, every character in Origins has one: Aeducan, Cousland, Amell, Surana, Mahariel, Brosca, and Tabris (who's the coolest ).


And that's exactly the problem. There are a lot of outcomes in DAO, and many of them have potentially huge, sweeping consequences. Trying to satisfactorily pander to every single one of them is incredibly difficult, and trying to ensure that all of them are capable of fitting into the story Bioware has planned is impossible.

I was actually referring to people on the Bioware forums. I guess I should have specified that.

Yeah, but I got to ignore those because everyone always called me Warden. Which I will miss.

Oh well. Maybe Hawke will grow on me like Sheppard did. I wonder what Hawke's favorite market stall in Denerim will be?

Huh, I might not get it now...I'll have to think about it...

Ah, ok, but my statement still applies to the Bioware forums as well.

I'm going to name my character Mike Hawk.

I bet the girls will love him.

I... you appear to be... agreeing with me? My point was that there are simply a lot of variables affecting the world, by the time you or I get to the game, and our outcomes may have been quite different; makes it more and more difficult to port a character. And, that aside, as I said - Dragon Age is a world setting, not a unified trilogy like Mass Effect, which was designed pretty much a three story arc about one person.

I am not expecting the same experience from DA2 as I got from DAO, which I thought was a lot of fun and one of my favorite games. I am expecting the same writing and dialog and voice acting standards and they better have a good, tightly plotted, choice/consequence story.


Dude... it's the internetz. What were you expecting?

I sad and disappointed I cannot play as a dwarf in #2 :sadvaultboy:

Hmmm... Ok I love Dragon Age. I mean love it, I have the special edition guide, game, all the DLC, the novels and even the pen-&-paper RPG set. So no matter what I will be buying Dragon Age II.

That said, I am a little disappointed in only being able to play as a human, especially since that was pretty much my least favorite story; personally I really liked the castless dwarf. But it's not as if I haven't played and loved over a dozen rpg games with pre-made characters. (Fable, Fable II, Dungeon Siege, the Final Fantasy games, etc.) I hope that in place of the different origin stories there will be even more choices to be made throughout the game. I think that would more than make up for it.
And in response to the character from the first game being imported; I am glad they are not. It would be entirely pointless since I chose the heroic martyrs death at the end I don't care what anyone says, my little dwarf died a hero and she will be remembered for all time in the memories of her people!

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This is bad news. I like the concept here, but I'm not sure if it will success.

I don't want to be "Commander Hawks". That is what Mass Effect is for.

You know I liked DA:O but honestly I'm a bit worn out for it. I can't believe they've already announced a sequel.

Don't get me wrong I would play it but I think it's just too soon for me to get excited over it

I'm gonna miss living out my fantasy as a dwarf...

I don't like the fact you can only play as a human. Also I hope for less combat filler, and more tactical approaches to combat or other ways to work your way through the game.

I'm not a huge fan of only being able to play as a Human as it limits choice, but in fairness I'd only play as a Human anyway so...

This will not personally affect me because I always play as a human but I can understand that many other people would like to have the option to play as a different race.

Its almost a given that there is more than one playable race in a RPG of this nature. I wonder Why they are limiting it.

Yes while you see it as impossible you are pretty much right as it would take alot of work. But my isssue is those things should have an effect, them not is illogical, the games not being linked leaves loose ends, in a story game like dragon age, loose ends are very bad.

Apparently the combat system will be "streamilned" atleast thats rumors I have heared somewhere, I put more hours in ME1 than ME2, now if this game becomes like ME2 I will put even less into it. I like how bioware sold out to tap into the casual market, and basically gave the finger to those who supported them and bought their games <_<

Funny, I'm fairly "hardcoe" and "oldschool", having played every other RPG from the Gold Box series, BG 1&2, all elder scrolls games, wizardy, Ultima, Migh&Magic series and despite that I still enjoyed ME2 more than any other RPG aside from Fallout3.

Ever thought that this is maybe not a "catering to casual vs hardcoe" thing but just a matter of preference?
Gotta love it when people assume their opinion is that of all core players
Or maybe I'm just casually hardcoe!

Gotta love it when people make things up, please use bold to show me where I speak for all core gamers ? What do you mean you cant find me saying that in the post. <_<
Preference umm no, because when dumbing down/watering down/"streamlining" ME2, they always said how it would be to make it more accesible to people new to the series, DA is changing to get more people, casuals outnumber core and thats their target, and yes it is selling out, because fans already like DAO now they change the system to something thats not like the game people originally liked, again forgettig about those who like the game for people who dont like the genre. After how much ME2 wasstreamlined, I dread to think of DA2 as it is more rpg than ME was, so its going to be a hell of alot more taken out, or streamlined as bioware call it.

This is not a thread about ME2 folks... and for the love of god, can we not get into a debate on dumming down of games here? And thisisn'tmyname... someone stating a preference for game play is just that, not an invitation for someone else to say their preference is "wrong" because of blah blah blah.

Let's keep from sniping at each other, okay.

And on the subject of what little we know about DA2 gameplay thus far... I don't have enough real info, which would include gameplay demos and such to make any such sweeping opinions as to whether or not this game will be good or not. :shrug: They just announced it. And I plan on avoiding much of this kind of debate, as well as spoilers. Part of the reason I loved DAO is that I ignored it's development/release run up for the most part and thus was unspoilered and completely fell in love with the game.

Well, they want to make you a royal champion. Given the general medieval attitude of the world, limiting the choice of the player character to humans might be reasonable.

You said they were catering to casual, not hardcoe. And you most definitly made it sound like those kind of changes would just annoy hardcoe players. My point is that that is simply not true. Just because someone likes ME2 more than ME1 or other RPGs, doesnt mean their more causal. In my opinion they simply improved the game.


Dumbing down/watering down is again just your prespective, not a fact. Streamlining does not equal dumbing down.
And DA:O taking some pages out of the book of ME2 is nothing bad. Inventory management is definitly one thing they could improve a lot. The narrative can profit from them having a fixed main character. ME2 definitly offered more cinematic and engaging dialogues.
I love DA:O, one of my favourite RPGs ever, but I definitly think ME2 is overall the better game.

Again you're just saying as if they are only catering to "casuals"(whatever the [censored] that is, because people who play RPGs are rarely casual in my book). Another person can definitly say they are improving the game.
But we won't know one or the other for sure until the game is released anyways