Oh sorry, my mistake. It's been a while since i played it :hehe:

Elves look ugly as hell now Well I still need achivements in origins, so I will just wait for DA2 to drop before picking it out of the bargin bin, and judging by alot of things, wont be long.

No idea what that is ? But it sounds like the BW fanbase allright, when I visited the forums any post that wasnt brown nosing BW was flamed, apparently criticising the game makes you a troll...
I hate that place, the sad thing is they constantly [censored] about halo/CoD fans being like that, but they imo are worse than them.
Never seen a halo fan keep yapping on outside of halo forums unlike BW fans.

"A lot of them are PC fans..." lol A lot of them have green eyes. Ha. Me thinks Gaider really understands that he is essentially catering to a lucrative console audience and EA and BioWare are making their games more accessible (dumbed down) to a wide market who want 'cinematic', and 'pick up and play', and one-shot thrills rather than replay value and variety. (Leaving a need for many a DLC that further morphs the setting into some kind of nerd-fighter's nightmare containing everything they've ever wanted in every setting, delivered in a way that stopped making sense when so-and-so changed into so-and-so and a dream version of Megan Fox - who is actually a chicken in the dream - joined the co-op play. There's co-op? Wha? I dunno, soon, with cross-over weapons from Mass Effect. Shepherd versus Hawke Mortal Kombat style! You want it? You got it! In cinematic cutscenes with quick time events... probably.)

It's not even that fans of BioWare are loyal to BioWare, a lot I think are fans of D&D and role-playing, of Forgotten Realms novels and the WotC or as-was TSR settings. BioWare weren't at liberty to make Half-Orcs Halfling-Orcs, or to give either horns on a whim. Nor to change the design of any race or species, or to change up character creation, race-specific attributes, or to frack with anything other than the way in which the rules were adjusted to suit the limitation and freedoms of a video game. Their job was to deliver a ready made setting with ready made, solid as a rock lore and designs, and to translate it to a new medium.

All they're showing is that they're fans of cash, and that when they have their own IP, anything can happen, anything can be changed, reworked from the ground up without so much as a how do you do to the many thousands (millions) who bought the launch title of the franchise... and liked it. Changes this dramatic from a launch title to its sequel over a few years... where will it be in five years? A decade? What will it look like? It'll look like its been pounded, [censored], and pee'd on by fly-by-night casual gamers and their mothers, no longer belonging to any particular genre and only mentioned in threads in gaming forums when its announced that EA are merging BioWare with their The Sims Studio whose The Sims Medieval had more RPG elements than BioWare's last outing. lol :ahhh:

Maybe you should wait for the game to come out before declaring it a failure.

Compelling argument for why RPG's will never be works of artistic endeavour. Not if they keep changing and remain so inconsistent over the years as they develop over time. Take something as classic as Lord of the Rings. Imagine how [censored] up it would be if every book he started altering his own established facts and details in the middle of the story. Oh well just a small step back for video games to be taken as a serious art form.

According to that thread I learned 2 things about the LIs in DA2.


Atleast thats what they say. Iwonder what the devs are like people posting this pre release lol.

That's nothing. According to that wonderful spoiler thread in the Bioware forum, the full version for 360 has somehow been leaked, and if the comments on the story line are true, you'll find:

I got from the thread that the plot is just

It remains to be seen if Bioware can pull this off as well as CD Projeckt.

Ripping on the Witcher, just a testament to its extraordinary level of development to the story. Doubt they can pull it off with as serious as repercussions. I mean that game really left me feeling nervous about my choices.

Well, the demo re-kindled my interest in DAII. After reading all these spoilers my interest has been lost again. Not because I spoiled the plot for myself. But because everything from a story standpoint sounds terrible. And that was going to be my purpose of getting past the not so fantastic gameplay.

I'm not touching the Warrior Class. 2Handed's ok but it lacks appeal like the Dual Weapon Warrior did in Origins. Shield and Sword heck I'll just have Aveline take over that role.

I've just read the review in OXM. I certainly won't be wasting my money on this game. They gave it a 9 but from what they've wrote, it looks like the game will be more restrictive than the first. I don't care if it does have a good story like the first. As I mentioned in my first post the fast travelling and lack of exploration ruined the first game for me. Don't get me wrong I don't mind fast travelling, I certainly used it a lot in Oblivion and FO3 but I used it to quickly get rid of the loot that I'd aquired.

One of my favorite games was primarily confined to a city, but had an incredible story, gameplay superior to that of its contemporary, Baldur's Gate (imo), very memorable characters, and spell effects to die for. I'm speaking, of course, about Planescape: Torment. Now, DA2 might have a great story, but from what I saw in the demo, it fails in other regards. Gameplay was underwhelming, as waiting on cooldown timers is a recipe for boredom in my book, and I understand those timers were shortened for the demo. Spell effects are nothing to write home about. I just don't find gimmicky visuals for auto-attacking all that interesting. Gimme visuals for special attacks, and then you'll have my attention.

This will be the first time in a game where I don't tank for my first play through, if at all. The warrior seems to have been left behind in this game in favor of the bright lights of the mages elementals and the flashy jump kicks of the rouge.

Also, this one button attack mash is a bad idea, it gets so repetitively boring, I hope the cool down timers aren't any longer than this because if they are its gonna be down right boring for combat

Warrior > Rogue I may aswll have tickled that ogre with dusters with my rogue, belive me rogue is the worst class, its extremely underpowered, ttook like 10 minutes to kill that [censored] ogre, and that was normal mode :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl9lApBfoOo

I don't know how many of you folks have been paying attention to Bioware's DA2 forum, but it seems every day there's yet another thread about cancelled pre-orders. For awhile, the problem seemed to mainly affect European customers, but now customers in Asia are also starting to report the same thing. To add insult to injury, this problem appears to be extending to the US, with at least one customer there reporting that he'd been notified his pre-order was back-ordered, no ETA.

I'm glad I never pre-ordered, but I certainly can sympathize with those who are expecting to get their signature editions in a timely manner.

DLC announce before release of game. Nice.

I called my Gamestop, and they're having a Midnight release for it. That means I get to pick it up on the 7th, sweet. :celebration:

I just played the Demo myself, was finished with it about an hour ago, I'm sorry to say but it confirmed my suspicions, the graphics are sharper and the combat is smoother but the rest was average, just a generic jaunt, stuck to a single path with the occasional swarm of Dark Spawn, etc. To be honest it was boring and even the combat became dull after the first couple of fights.

And from the demo, even the story is off to a rocky start. The dialogue is atrocious, the scenes are overly melodramatic (am I honestly expected to give a [censored] about the death of a Templar who I've known for ten minutes?), the voice acting is bad (near everyone speaks in a dull monotone, and just about all the women sound the same), and then there's the whole matter of the Cawkes stupidly fleeing south toward the Darkspawn ("for no raisin!"). Yeah, DA2 has its work cut out for it if it wants to impress me with its story.

I'm more irked about how the sibling's death was handled:

*semi-dramatic scene where sibling kicks the bucket and everyone STANDS there*

Mama Hawke: "He/she is dead! It's your fault!"

PC: "That's nice - let's move on."

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Bioware is going to do another demo today at 4pm EST. They will show off the DLC with Sebastan and they will show off some of the character creator. I personally can't wait until then.