What a fine disaster this is that is DA2, I mean really Dragon Age 2 looked decent enough for me to buy before getting something like Deus Ex H.R. or Skyrim but after this fiasco I think I'm going to just rent the game. And normally I avoid being pessimistic about a game I havn't played yet and not be of the "They changed it now it svcks" crowd but as it stands now Dragon Age 2 is a train wreak that will make fan disappointment with Oblivion be pale in comparrison with what Bioware is doing.

NOTHING will ever be that bad. I may not like what I hea (except the Welsh bit) but I bought oblivion, and SI and damn it was bad, especially because the exploration was all it had going for it. (the brotherhood had some fun missions though).

:rofl:

I called it. I told you the disc size would be a [censored] dead give away.

So less origins, less exploration and I am guessing less dialouge. I wonder what else they "streamlined". How many companions do we have

Avaline, sibling, varric, anders, isabella, elf I cant remember, merril and dlc guy. Is that all ? Damn, not to great.

We were talking about the dungeon "recylcing" part, not the whole game. Difference being that ME used the same base and mine layouts everywhere, whereas Oblivion's dungeons were created from set pieces, combined differently (as are Fallout 3's, whereas New Vegas seems to have more ME-like approach).

And Oblivion wasn't bad, it had some questionable design decision, but those modded away it's a pretty solid game. 1000 hours worth of solid so far :blush:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKIkw3LIoQ :hehe: And Cheyene's eyes are still in her neck :banghead:

Oblivion was everything copy pasted, the only place I remember being different was frostfire glade, everything else was copy paste. Fallout locations were great im, except the metro tunnels.
Also you had mods, I play 360, so yeah I was stuck with the normal oblivion, the bad oblivion. Skyrim seems to copy fallouts approach, so I will get it, its fallout but not depressing whats not to like.

Eh...my enthusiasm for DA2 is dying a slow but sure death with every new thing I read. About 2 weeks ago I was incredibly hyped for the new game but now I'm in a state of dissapointment. It honestly seems as though Bioware has made the game more like Mass Effect than Dragon Age. Hell, it'd be fair to just call the game Hawke Effect and be done with it.

Every new feature or removal just seems like an attempt to make it as much like Mass Effect 2 as possible. Too much of what I liked about Origins and RPGs in general seems to be gone (proper tactical combat, changing companion gear etc) instead replaced with a streamline action game that has Role-playing elements.

I'll probably still buy the game when it's released here on Thursday, but I'm expecting to walk away dissapointed.

This

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/78/dragonage2demo201102230d.jpg

Hoo-boy, two different companies, two different games, two different engines, excatly the same bug :rofl:

Now all we need is a poltergeist Varric (or what ever his name was) floating around in a sitting stance with a rotating head.

Why not wait for the ultimate edition ? Save money on dlc and other things.
Also the removal of clothing options is likely going to be like ME2, remove it, then create a reskin in dlc they can seel it to you.
Isabella will be like Miranda, don like her skimpy outfit ? Money plz. I dont know if its EA or BW, because BW are defending thier choices.

On the brightside I learned I dont need BW, people say "blah blah, good writing" but I found Obsidian My eyes are opened.

The games getting a rental only just on principle. I dont buy Bioware/EA games.

Oh yeah, forgot about launch day DLC. Good God, at least with Shale they had the decency to give it away free if you bought the game first-hand. Frankly the fact that this DLC is completed and ready to go, and yet NOT included in the main game is disgusting.

Heh, got that right. After reading up on some of the spoilers, I really wish Origins included an option to gut Isabella. What a [censored].

I didnt agree with Shale, but its worse than shale because while shale was "Buy new game get this" this is "pre order waaay before the release" so I could pay ￡40 like the pre order guy, and still lose content, to me thats just wrong, much worse than the shale thing, and becuase its a character I expect it like the shale thing "hey heres a quest BUY DLC TO HAVE IT".

Also it was announced (and finished to the point where it had a trailer, so god knows how long it was made seperate) in January, they were still developing DA2, it was clearly witheld to get more new sales, which funny enough convinced many to buy pre owned so BW dont see a thing. You dont [censored] with your customers like that... Well some customers complaiend about it anyway, others were fine with it .

Ah I just reminded myself I need to but it pre owned, on the other hand I want them to get money because I approve of them not using American voice actors becuase the game is set in fantasy Europe. Damn, shame they had to be [censored]s about the game though.

Also given the fact its recycled, I expect its rushed, I wonder if this will have more bugs than awakening, I wonder if they will patch them (unlike awakening).

Xetirox, can you PM me (people cant complain about s temping them with spoilers in thread then) i only read the thread and had a reason to hate Anders. Shame even if you killed her they would retconn her somehow... They still avent explained why she changed race though.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9863/hawkewantstobeadragon.jpg

:biggrin:

Yikes, they're really stepping up the battle damage from the random blood splatters.

Hey Hawke, my face is up here.

Too right. At least for me. I was ready to pre-order before the demo. Demo came out and I cancelled quicker than Pan, and faster than Play.com got a chance to cancel before I did it.

DA:2 has two selling points, and residual half-reason to buy it.

Selling point 1: "They've made it more like like Mass Effect, yay!" (Mass Effect fans/DA:O dissenters.)

Selling Point 2: "I really liked DA:O and have already pre-ordered DA:2 knowing very little about it but expecting more of the same with vast improvements over the original." (Not been reading any gaming media sources. The great unwashed and blissfully ignorant.)

Half-Point: "I'm willing to give it a go." (Couldn't care less either way as long as the game delivers a memorable experience and burns some time.)

lol

I disagree, I'm loving what I've heard about Dragon Age 2 and it won't disappoint.

Yea, I feel the same way about Anders. :flame:

At least you can kill Anders in Awakening. Turn him in to the Templars (guess that crazy lyrium-addicted [censored] Rylock was right about him), or leave him at a poorly-upgraded Vigil. I personally want to kill him for desertion, and doubly so for such a petty reason (because the Wardens made you give your cat away? Really, Anders?). No such luck for Izzy. Not that it matters, what with all the retcons, but it would feel sooooo good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMcVZQI6ybw someone posted it on the social site, BW will probablly ban them, but its pretty accurate, jsut needs to add watering down and that all thats wrong with what BW is doing.

It won't disappoint you.

It has already disappointed me with what I've heard and read so far. I'm disappointed they've taken the ending of Awakening and basically said it doesn't matter. I'm disappointed that they have restricted how you can set up your party. I'm disappointed that they've restricted weapons. I'm disappointed that they've retconned the elves; now everyone seems to have lop-eared bunny syndrome. Origins Zevran: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Zevran_Arainai DA2 Zevran: http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1225/zevran.jpg

There is more, but not much of a point mentioning it. On their forums someone who got the game early is playing and answering questions. From the spoilers I've read I'm disappointed in the story as well.