Oh great they lvl with me, I think that happened in origins to, [censored] lvl scling, it dosent make you feel stronger, and it just makes leveling up pointless.

Actually part of that was due to idiots from another website who kept posting spam pictures all over the place. The forum posters who were pissed reposted the pictures when they quoted the spam and increased the problem. They hoped creating a general discussion that required a poster register a game would cut down on the picture spam garbage.

Might have worked had they still used cd keys. People behaved on the *Bioware* forums, because if you got to the point they banned your cd key, you had to buy a new game to get a new cd key to let you post on the forums. Seems that the registration for all the console versions are the same, so it isn't a problem for the spammers to register a non-existent game and it didn't do a thing to stop the spam and troll accounts.

Is there a site where I can play with class builds for DA:O?

For DA:O I cannot decide between:

Mage: Spirit Healer / Keeper
Rogue (Archer): Ranger / Legionnaire Scout
Warrior (Sword & Shield: Berserker / Spirit Warrior

http://social.bioware.com/project/353/

You guys seem to complain a lot.

I've been playing a lot of it lately. It has it's flaws as every game, but there's no need for such dogging on it. After playing the demo right before its release, I was sure it would totally svck. It doesn't, and I love it. I think it's just as good as origins, just in different ways. And I like that the romances seem more realistic.

Though some of the weirdass things that happen to Hawke just leave my jaw open. There's a lot of humour in this game too. I'm always taking screenshots because some things just crack me up.

It's to even out all the happiness and joy. :rolleyes:



http://i53.tinypic.com/18f8gj.png

You know, thats probably the most-posted image on the internet for DA2. Hell, Bioware should just make that an official screenshot on their website.

The "I'm hungry" dialogue is so stupid it's hilarious.

Yay I completed the game,

Any DLC now??

:rofl:

I just wonder what is wrong with people who post this picture as a an example for "how far Bioware has fallen", or something like that. Seriously, it has the bloody jester icon next to it.

Its stupid even with the jester icon. And they have fallen, why make quality games when you can rush everything to get more money. Hell they didnt even finish the story in DA2 the entire thing was just "tto find out what happens next $60 please" [censored] the endings are the same no matter what choice you make, its pathetic.

It's no Origins but I actually enjoyed the game.
I am giving it 7,5/10.

So sue me. :vaultboy:

Please hold, an angry mob will be dispatched to your location shortly.

I feel that Origins is better, but DA2 is by no means the worst sequel for anything ever.

About some things, I guess. When the devs suddenly change everything about a game but insist it is the sequel to the original game, it tends to annoy the people who enjoyed the original game. And yes, I know people are going to say "they didn't change things that much", except, imo, they did.

You can either choose your class, or choose your party; depending on what you want to play, you can't do both. I want to play a mage and fight beside my sister....oops. Okay, then I want to be a rogue and fight beside my two handed sword wielding brother.....oops. There are suddenly weapon restrictions for no apparent reason. Not even "The Chantry discovered a new rule, written by Andraste herself that says warriors are no longer capable of using a bow. And rogues are no longer dexterous enough to use an axe. Or mace. Or sword." In Origins your character couldn't jump over a blade of grass, now suddenly you get more in-air hang time than Michael Jordan. Not bad if I want to play Jade Empire, but that isn't this game. The voiced character; I like it in Mass Effect/Mass Effect2 because it fits the game, and they managed to find one voice actor that doesn't make me cringe with ever line. If it wasn't for Jen Hale, I wouldn't have played either game. I can't stand Meers' Shepard to the point the poor guy never made it off the Normandy to Eden Prime. I don't really care for maleHawke's voice. I could deal with femHawke, maybe. But I still strongly prefer a silent pc. And I detest the wheel o'hints. Even some of the "Bioware can do no wrong" posters on their forum aren't thrilled with the dialogue wheel and have said what they intended and what Hawke said was totally different, even with the "intent" icon. They also hand-waved or ignored the endings of Awakening, for the people who played it. Qunari aren't "bronze skinned giants" anymore. Now they are corpse gray guys with horns and body paint. If the devs had mentioned this "horn" thing in the codex, it wouldn't be so annoying. Now the elves seem to have lop-ear bunny syndrome; no explanation for the visual change, besides the "hot-rod samurai" art direction. Everything they claimed they did to make classes more unique made a stereotype generic character. Including importing the "can't change companion clothing" thing from ME2. I am waiting to see the dlc that allows you to change their looks.

I know there are people who are enjoying the game, and that is great. I can't get past the issues that bother me about it though.

I knew if I said something, I'd have people acting this way in return ;P

@Ratslayer, that's nice, but isn't that a rather pessimistic view? Sure, I can agree it was a rush-in but it doesn't make it a bad game.

I like the banter here just as much as in Origins. Aveline and Isabela, Merril and Varric, and Varric and Anders probably have the best. The ones with Fenris/Anders/Varric are rather disconcerting..

Isabela: I have problems of my own, you know!
Aveline: (Scoffs) "What drink should I order?" and "Who's the father?"

Urchin: Well, he was a man.. he had hair and.. a nose..

Anders: Is that supposed to be Andraste's face on your crotch?
Sebastian: ..what?
Anders: That.. belt buckle thing.. is that Andraste?
...I'm just not sure I'd want the Maker to see me shove His bride's head between my legs every morning.

Anyway, I think you're being too negative over a game. A game! Besides, complaining isn't going to make the game change to your liking.

I guess my main beefs with it are:
The ridiculous health potion cooldown. I get having a cooldown, but for that long?!
How everywhere you go in Darktown (underground to the Undercity) is in the same location as another totally unrelated location once was earlier in the game. Also applies to many other locations. Too much copy pasting.
The Arishok scene where there are a ton of people congregated.. they copied the same npc and it was standing right by the original!
The darkspawn running is just too comical
Combat was better before

But most of that stuff I don't mind. The rest of the gameplay makes up for it. And if you're truly as bitter to "laugh at how bad it is" then I must say you need to lighten up. I think it makes enough proper references to Origins when you choose your saved game at character creation. At least it seems fine to me.

Edit: @Talaran, I do agree with most of what you have to say. Especially about the Carver/Bethany issue and the new Qunari. It really doesn't seem like a proper sequel, does it? More of a separate game with nods to another. Oh and the elves! I don't know how I forgot that. They all look terrible. Massive ears and a nose sprouting out of their forehead.

I think if they had called it a separate game in the Dragon Age world, they wouldn't have gotten half of the backlash they have.

And I guess the hope is that constructive criticism would work towards persuading the devs that making a "sequel" would actually pay off.

bold.

And it's a bug...my character certainly did not look like that when choosing that option.

I'm fairly sure that is an edited picture. Just for the derp-ness. I dare not read Ratslayer answering me up there. Bad for my health.

A day after finishing DA2, I'm fairly certain what lessens the enjoyment of this game the most. It's the segragation between gameplay and story, which is far worse than usual for Bioware. Especially when you play a blood mage Hawke. That, and not the level recycling, makes the game feel hastily put together the most. The changes to battle and character system are very tiny, but this second part of role-playing, that's the one that feels slightly less rewarding. The game keeps up though through the twists and surprising darkness of most events. As Varric sad, nobody said that this would be a happy story.
I'm also pretty sure that the folks at Bioware could hit themselves for agreeing to a tight-scheduled small game, when they had obviously bigger plans for Dragon Age: Exodus. In this case, EA can be blamed - but rather blame the market than one publisher.

Eh, I hope we'll have people who grew up with video games as a majority among shareholders in ten, or maybe twenty years. Only then will such things finally stop. Or rather proceed to the next new medium, evil, as were films and comic books.

If that's all the backlash is about, then it's stupid. The fact that there's a 2 on the end is completely arbitrary. You wanted a direct sequel, you didn't get it. Deal with it.

As the game stands on it's own, it is by no means a bad game, it is in fact a very good game. The problem is that people can't resist the urge to compare it directly to origins. They are different games, you need to judge both on their own merits. DA:O was slow paced, that's not a good thing. A game should be long, I want it to be long, but the pace has to keep me involved and interested at all times, if I stop caring at any point then the game is not doing it's job. When I first got DA:O I played it for most of the day and all through the night, the pace didn't bother me then because it was brand new and it was the first real RPG I'd seen in some time (As in, a game that actually involves some roleplaying....). When i took a proper look at it I noticed how slowly paced it was, how certain parts dragged on for far longer than they should have and the overall experience suffered for it.

DA2's pace is by no means perfect either, but it's an improvement in my eyes, instead of dragging things out it gets to the point.

The complaints I have is the re-use of areas, that's dissapointing but not a dealbreaker for me. I don't play these games to explore the environment, I do it to explore the characters which is much more interesting and much more rewarding.

The lack of variety in armor also bothers me a bit, especially concerning mages. The champion armor for mages looks amazing, it is by far the coolest armor in the game, it just screams apostate, which I really missed in origins. That might not be good for keeping a low profile, but it's much less boring than the standard robes all mages seem to wear, I never really understood why apostates would work so hard to look exactly like any other mage anyway, seems a bit counterproductive no?

Another thing about armor that really bothers me is that rogues get a lot of armor that's basically medium armor, scalemail and the like. Chain and leather is fine, heavy scalemail is pushing it a bit too far if you ask me, just doesn't feel right.

Some of the weapons look absolutely ridiculous, I really don't like that but there's usually a good looking and still functional weapon out there, so it's not a huge problem, and the rudimentary modding going on helps a bit with that. Really hope a toolset comes out for this one, it has great modding potential that I'm dying to play around with.

Otherwise, great game. When i heard Dragon Age 2 I expected a sequel to origins, when I looked at it I immediately saw "Okay, it's not really a direct sequel, that's fine." I'm glad I did, because what I got was a much more personal story that hasn't been done to death already, I got a character that's easier to relate too and I got a more exciting combat experience, making it less of a chore I have to do before I can do more talking.


Of course it is, not sure what I was thinking.

Still though, Hawke doesn't say "I want to be a dragon!" he says "You could show me that trick of yours, that looks usefull" in a somewhat joking tone. So whatever point the picture is meant to prove isn't even there.

Thanks for taking this right out of my mouth. Or from my fingers. Whatever. I like discussions, even heated ones, but I know when a someone is just immune to arguments - and starting at point A, topic A again once one has nothing to prove their point on topic D - that's just not good style.
Bottom line, Ratty: I'll ignore you, and I wish this forum would support such a function. No, that short line is not stupid. It shows where the joking comment is going. Refer to the previous longer post on how Bioware probably feels. I shall leave this thread then. Your job is done. Keep this a place of clean hate and cynism.

Click your name, choose ignore, post my name there.

I'm not here to argue.. and if you noticed, I didn't simply praise the game. I know it has its missteps.

You're being awfully immature. I'm not a bioware fangirl in the least.

One point of that picture is what the wheel o'hints says is "I want to be a dragon." What Hawke actually says is "You could show me that trick of yours, that looks useful". So you have no idea what your pc is actually going to say.

Strangely enough, I could deal with Dragon Age 2 not being a direct sequel. Morrowind to Oblivion to Skyrim are all games in the ES world, all are "sequels", but I don't expect to get a retread of Morrowind2, or Oblivion2 when I get Skyrim. I expect some factors to stay the same, yes. If there is going to be something that contradicts game abilities or lore from the earlier games, I expect to see at least a half-assed explanation in the game. Like why you couldn't levitate in Mournhold. Instead of warriors can't use a bow now; rogues can only use daggers, and mages have taken acrobatics classes with no explanation at all. I also don't see the personal story; because of the way they did the story, you end up dumped in the middle of things with a "brother", "sister", and "mother" that really don't mean that much. Your choice of class kills the just introduced brother or sister. This can't-be-avoided death is supposed to make me care about my "family" why? The combat needed tweaked in Origins; imo they went way too far to the extreme for the fighters and rogues, possibly a little too far for the two-handed weapon combat. Again, for me, this is too much of a disconnect from the first game. I think part of this is also the marketing for the game. MY OPINION ONLY: it wasn't epic, and it wasn't a sequel.