That pretty much is the reason why DA2 is bad. It went too far instead of fixing the flaws that DAO had. ME2 was still good because it was fun to play and it wasn't completely terrible although they did get rid of a lot of RPG elements like getting exp for killing an enemy.

They are hiring MP devs, meaning there could be MP in ME3 or a spinoff, and they said MEs trilogy would be about sheps story, but ME would be a franchise.
BW could go back but they would have already lost alot of fans.

Saying it was made more fun is debatable.
And they didnt cut the useless crap, they cut the mako then sold veichles back with firewalker, they cut the ability to swap armours, dlc, guns, dlc, now a key plot point is dlc.
Instead of removing siome things and selling them back they should have improved in those elements and refined them, they didnt.

Bioware dosent tackle problems the right way, in ME they removed instead of fixed, then resold the feature as dlc, in DA2 well they arent even listening anymore, no one asked for most of this crap. DAO reminds me of fable (tlc), fable was good, then they changed features and we had fable 2, an inferior game, then they were still in denial (like Laidlaw) and released fable 3, an even worse game. BW just isnt listening anymore, it will do what it wants, even if it results in BW failing.

On the brightside I still have Obsidian. If only they had better testers.
Well I wont miss it.

Just wanted to chime in and say that I enjoyed DA2 and I'm now on my 2nd play-through.

But by all means, please continue your hating.

Yeah lots of pople gott to playthrough 2 then quit, then went back to origins after many playthroughs.

I did one origins character 4 times before I got everthing right, currently in awakening.

I also have a dalish archer, warrior and arcane warrior planned out.

126 hours and not done yet. But i suppose i have non-existant standards ^_^

Though IIRC that was already established in the Fallout 3 vs New Vegas "debates" around here :unsure:

You and me both! :laugh:

I don't see why people hate DA2 so much, it had a decent story and it was at least more enjoyable than ME2.

Isn't that the point of mass-appeal design choices? Sells like crazy despite pissing off the minority players, because they're still a profit minority no matter how angry they are? It's not like the game selling anyway is any kind of proof that the vocal opponents are secretly the ones buying all the copies.

Because I find revisting the same locations all the time and WAVES OF ENEMIES to be incredibly borring.

I recall doing the same exact thing in origins, I always got in encounters with the same exact maps. :shrug:

(OMAIGAWDJC,IT'SABOMB! GET OUTTA THERE! I just went in another playthrough and got this epic line again.)

Except ME2 is very playable and doesn't suffer gamebreaking bugs like DA2 has.

Atleast DA2 is more of an rpg, if it adv ertises itself as such it should be one, ME2 wasnt.
So for me ME2 is worse.

Agreed.

I'm on my third playthrough and I'm not like the below:



Yup, same thing in origins; no change there.. but it's not really a reason for "hate"

In the final act it gets a bit ridiculous, but it makes combat more dynamic. In Origins the one-size-fits-all tactic was to start with Mana Clash to kill mages, followed by Glyph Explosion and AoE spell to kill the trash, and after that taking out the tough enemies.

In DA2 strong opponents may appear with the reinforcements, so you have to pay attention to cooldowns and your mana/stamina reserves. Enemy mages are especially dangerous reinforcements, they're almost as easy kill as in Origins if they are in the initial group, but as reinforcements you better hope you have a spell/skill usable to take them out quickly.

I do not remember enemies appearing right out of thin air and right on top of me in Origins. However, that happens during almost every single fight in DA2.

Spiders could, deepstalkers could, and shrieks could, along with the ocasional genlock.

Genlock rouges made a habit of popping out of thin air in DA:O

Ah, those [censored] spiders. It's been a while since I played Origins, so I forgot about those. But it's not like Origins has it like DA2.

The only complaint about DA2 is the fact of the Arishok being the second act boss, he should have been the finale and if he was then there would be alot less complaints about a weak ending.

Is DA2 worth buying I was\am going buy it next pay day but reading some of these posts is putting me off a little.

It's an alright game, it'll throw you off a bit at first but it gets good later on.

Wait for inevitable ultimate edition.

The ending is left for dlc/sequals, its not a full story, also buying now you already loose out on the exiled prince, may aswell wait for a price drop to make up for that.

OK thanks, when will this be released

Probably not for another year and that's if there is an ultimate edition for DA2.

People in Kirkwall apparently dont suffer any broken bones from jumping off roofs in heavy armour.