Dragon discussion : V - Skyrim

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:25 am

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TES should indeed have a nice MQ, but does a MQ need dragons?

According to the devs, yes. Yes they do.

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:34 pm

So your logic also means that people being positive about features in skyrim are to be not taken serious either? because they have never played it?

"Perfect" seems to be default in most peoples heads.

They are going to have fun being disappoint when its just a game.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:10 am

TES does not need an MQ to make TES the game that is known for its freedom. Don't think I find the MQ redundant! Not it all! I find it very enjoyable!

TES should indeed have a nice MQ, but does a MQ need dragons?

No. But they make an interesting mainquest.

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:28 pm

According to the devs, yes. Yes they do.

And according to you? Do you need dragons to enjoy a story? Does a story need to be about the end of the world? About Akatosh?

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:00 am

Says you? Sorry if I do not take your word for it when it is about what Beth would have done with the time and resources if dragons were not in.

Sorry? And yet I simply have to take your word for it that they would? You're the one who asserted that they'd put development time spent on Dragons to those specific other features, the burden of proving such a claim lies with you.

I was simply pointing out that not implementing Dragons would not necessarily mean more of what you're looking for, but possibly another feature similar to Dragons. There is never, ever a guarantee that removing one feature would improve the number of everything else instead of simply implementing a similar feature.

They may have, but it's unlikely that they'd simply deem the concept and idea behind their percieved need for an enemy equivocable to Dragons completely worthless given how strongly they've focused on them.

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:44 pm

I came across this peculiar thought today and decided to make a thread about it.

So what if Bethesda had decided to focus their resources, time and skill elsewhere? Skyrim's Dragons obviously needed alot of time to model, animate and to make unique A.I. properties for them.

Personally I think dragons do not add much to Skyrim. Yes the story evolves around them, they look cool and add something unique to this game.

But do we really need dragons? I think the costs exceed the benefits in the case of dragons.

Dragons add only to the bestiary of TES. Not to the RPG aspect atleast and that matters most in my opinion. I'd rather had Beth concentrate on the many complaints that many people have like making certain features more balanced and fun, more weapons, more npc, more factions, more everything really.

Share your thoughts

Sorry what you say doesn't make sense. You say they don't add much to skyrim,yet they are cool and unique to the game.....That doesn't make sense to me at all.
I and many other's are looking forward to them,and i want to know more about them and why they are here......each to their own i guess.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:21 am

Doomsiren, Edit your Thread and make a Poll on something like:

Is Skyrim the Dragons you play the Game for

Do you even want Dragons in Skyrim

Will you be ok if Skyrim dident have Dragons
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Its clear you Dont like Giant Overpowered Beasts for some reason, so when is Bethesda Allowed in Your Opinion to have Giant Creatures in their Games, even the Giants themselves seem out of place for Skyrim

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:02 pm

And according to you? Do you need dragons to enjoy a story? Does a story need to be about the end of the world? About Akatosh?

Nope, I don't need dragons to enjoy a story. But so far I think it's a cool addition, especially since we've heard about dragons in TES but never really seen them. It adds to that mythic status, you know? And I think in TES the MQ does work better when it's especially epic and perilous - what's more epic and perilous than a dragon God eating the world?

If you were a dev, what would you have made the focus of the MQ instead of dragons?

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:12 am

Sorry what you say doesn't make sense. You say they don't add much to skyrim,yet they are cool and unique to the game.

He's saying that relative to a percieved amount of additional content such as quests, armour, weapons, spells, skills, etc. etc. that he think would have been added instead if they hadn't implemented Dragons, they don't add much.

He thinks that adding what amounts to one species to the bestiary is not preferable to adding more of the above items.

I don't agree with him, and I don't even feel his argument is very strong, just clarifying.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:40 am

We have all that and much more, the Dragons are just a side thing, Skyrim has got Tons More as to what Morrowind and Oblivion can put together

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:28 am

Sorry? And yet I simply have to take your word for it that they would? You're the one who asserted that they'd put development time spent on Dragons to those specific other features, the burden of proving such a claim lies with you.

I was simply pointing out that not implementing Dragons would not necessarily mean more of what you're looking for, but possibly another feature similar to Dragons. There is never, ever a guarantee that removing one feature would improve the number of everything else instead of simply implementing a similar feature.

They may have, but it's unlikely that they'd simply deem the concept and idea behind their percieved need for an enemy equivocable to Dragons completely worthless given how strongly they've focused on them.

I do not know about you but if I had extra time and resources Id spend it on where it belongs. The rpg aspect, the freedom aspect. Wouldn't anyone?

It do not think that it would add to specifically what I am looking for but something many people look for. Complaints and issues people had or features that people wanted improved or would like to see in the game.

Sorry what you say doesn't make sense. You say they don't add much to skyrim,yet they are cool and unique to the game.....That doesn't make sense to me at all.
I and many other's are looking forward to them,and i want to know more about them and why they are here......each to their own i guess.

What is skyrim about? Freedom or Dragons?

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:17 am

What is skyrim about? Freedom or Dragons?

Now thats what i call a Poll Starter and i Choose BOTH

The things you mention on what Bethesda should Focus on are Already taken care off, dont look at the HD E3 Videos we got, they are Old and People Repeat the Old Complaints again.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:08 am

I do not know about you but if I had extra time and resources Id spend it on where it belongs. The rpg aspect, the freedom aspect. Wouldn't anyone?

So you've asserted, however seeing as Bethesda has chosen not to do that in the finished game, I find it hard to believe that they'd agree with you, and I'd ask you, once again, to provide something corroborating that they would.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:06 am

What is skyrim about? Freedom or Dragons?

I have enough freedom in the game. I want to have funm for example with an interesting story and with cool, intelligent enemies. Dragons are these enemies,

I don't really see the point of all of this... yes, dragon could have not been in. But they are, and I consider that the time on them is worth it. We have dragons, a MQ that sounds cool and involves them and Dragonshouts. Good enough for me.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:54 am

He's saying that relative to a percieved amount of additional content such as quests, armour, weapons, spells, skills, etc. etc. that he think would have been added instead if they hadn't implemented Dragons, they don't add much.

He thinks that adding what amounts to one species to the bestiary is not preferable to adding more of the above items.

I don't agree with him, and I don't even feel his argument is very strong, just clarifying.

You value dragons more then the content they could have included to make TES more about what it has always been about? Freedom?

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:52 am

Im sorry for your Disappointment in Dragons, but we got 4 TES Games in the Future where you Never Again have to worry about Giant Beasts, then you can All the Freedom you want.

I found Oblivion Boring for awhile as i wanted some Big Butt Action, the Dragons just gave me what i asked for. :toughninja: :toughninja: :toughninja:

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Wow did a Dragon eat your family? I'm sorry but I just can't get my head around your whole logic. I get freedom but I don't think Dragons are taking anything away from it, Bethesda trying to make it everyone friendly is more to blame in general than Dragons.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:02 am

You raise a good point sir.

IMO I believe that dragons have taken away the quality of core aspects of the game but have added something unique and interesting.
Its a marketing move made by Bethesda to grab new players interest.
If dragon were not in the game i would not have minded. :shrug:

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:57 pm

You value dragons more then the content they could have included to make TES more about what it has always been about? Freedom?

No. I never said that, I said that I disagree with your assertion that time saved by not implementing Dragons would instead be spent solely on the things you're requesting, rather than simply new enemy designs, confrontations, etc. etc. to fill in the holes in the main quest and the bestiary, as you so eloquently described it, left by the lack of Dragons.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:50 am

They are about as important and in focus of design as Oblivion gates and realms, Ash storms, sleepers, Ash creatures, aetherius and basically any unique main quest feature.

Saying how it "ruins the freedom" is just ignorant.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:05 am

No. I never said that, I said that I disagree with your assertion that time saved by not implementing Dragons would instead be spent solely on the things you're requesting, rather than simply new enemy designs, confrontations, etc. etc. to fill in the holes in the main quest and the bestiary, as you so eloquently described it, left by the lack of Dragons.

Would be such a bad thing to expand on the things I suggest? More freedom? Having more time and resources can not be spended elsewhere?

I think I will enjoy the story very much and will most likely to fight dragons and consume their souls. But ultimately, does it add where TES is about?

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:12 am

Open the flame gates....

Seriously though, the Dragon's are crucial to the story. I mean, its just like having Oblivion with no Oblivion Gates!

That'd be brilliant!

I hope I haven't been ninjaed :ermm:

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:43 am

Would be such a bad thing to expand on the things I suggest? More freedom?

No, of course not.

Just to clarify, once more, because my point doesn't seem to be getting across, but I am not against more freedom or player choice, or wealth of items, but I do not agree with your assumption that extra time gained by taking out Dragons would automatically be re-appropriated towards those things especially when Bethesda clearly feels that Dragon's are worthwhile addition over such things and would be more likely to implement something similar to Dragons rather than simply add more items and 'more freedom'.

. But ultimately, does it add where TES is about?

Again, this is not what I've been discussing at all, my response was a questioning of your assumed reasoning for asking this question in the first place, not a response based on my perception of what 'The Elder Scrolls' series is about.

» Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:54 am

What is skyrim about? Freedom or Dragons?

Sorry ,that's a dumb question. It's about both of those and more,much more. No i won't be specific,you should already know.

» Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:34 pm

They are about as important and in focus of design as Oblivion gates and realms, Ash storms, sleepers, Ash creatures, aetherius and basically any unique main quest feature.

Saying how it "ruins the freedom" is just ignorant.

Please quote the part where I said It ruins my freedom? If you can't do this, then it shows how ignorant you are.

Anyway, dragons take alot more time to create then lets say, ash creatures? Or OB Gates?

And why do people think I do not appriciate dragons? Because I value freedom and RP more?