Dragon Wing Tweak : V - Skyrim

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:33 am

Couldn't the dragons have some sort of gas in their bodies? Like an air sack in fish. Not only could this gas be combustible but it could also be lighter than oxygen helping them fly.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:01 am

And Fourth, let's examine the issue a bit more closely here. There's been some grumbling about two-legged versus four-legged (ie four-limbed or six-limbed) dragons. The design currently in use is a four-limbed creature with two definite legs, and two hybrid wing/leg limbs. It's perfectly plausible (being fantasy, the term "realistic" is just a flag for "incoming comic relief") that the wing membrane is unbound to allow for greater range of movement at the shoulder when it's being used as an arm/leg rather than as a wing. As in, so it can swipe at you with an arm while on the ground without tearing a wing like a fat man flexing his arms in a too-small suit jacket and tearing the sleeves off.

This is the best explanation I can determine for why the wing is in it's current state, but if that is the case, then the membrane could be extra flexible and still look much more badass (in my humble opinion, of course.)

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:36 pm

I voted voted top, because the dragons they have aren't generic typed.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:21 am

perhaps if enough people email them with enough polls, they may have M'aiq speak about it .. and hopefully wearing a colovian fur hat, possibly even uncle sweetshare/ grandfather frosts'
white one

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:20 pm

Dragons fly by their language in TES. The wings are for stability.

Yeah, but bottom dragon with wider wing skin still looks better to me.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:36 am

This is not good because, if I don't believe the dragon is real-looking, or think it looks scrawny, it won't scare me. At the moment, it doesn't scare me because it looks weak.

Aren't you overreacting a bit? Sorry but after that statement I am having trouble taking any suggestions of yours seriously, so I voted top.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:34 am

Aren't you overreacting a bit? Sorry but after that statement I am having trouble taking any suggestions of yours seriously, so I voted top.

You should have judged based upon the merit of the idea itself, not upon whom presented it.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:18 pm

Yeah, but bottom dragon with wider wing skin still looks better to me.

I thought that way too. Sorry Outlander

it's my gut reaction even if the lore holds up (and I agree on the whole fictional/historical lore blur). But seeing as they are fictional creatures anyway, they can do what they want to them.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:10 am

I thought that way too. Sorry Outlander

it's my gut reaction even if the lore holds up (and I agree on the whole fictional/historical lore blur). But seeing as they are fictional creatures anyway, they can do what they want to them.

Even with the extra flap/membrane, the dragon would still not be able to fly realistically, so I don't think that this change would conflict with the lore anyway.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:15 am

You should have judged based upon the merit of the idea itself, not upon whom presented it.

Just be sure and keep us updated how enthusiastically they respond to your "you should change this 'cause I think so and the poll agrees" email.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:56 am

Even with the extra flap/membrane, the dragon would still not be able to fly realistically, so I don't think that this change would conflict with the lore anyway.

Lol I wouldn't know - never seen a dragon in action (or anything like it) :teehee: Like I said, just a gut reaction, if they went with the "magical flying" option, I wouldn't feel cheated or anything.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:58 pm

When I was watching the footage of a dragon flying, I thought something was off.

To me, the dragon's legs appear disproportionately huge and the wings seemed too frail to support its flight. This is not good because, if I don't believe the dragon is real-looking, or think it looks scrawny, it won't scare me. At the moment, it doesn't scare me because it looks weak.

So I tweaked it a bit, and my question for you is, which one would you prefer in-game?
[img]http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/NealKenneth/DragonComparison.jpg[/img]

Wait? So the dragon in the trailer wasn't fearsome to you? If it gets another foot of skin to attach to it's torso, it magically gets fearsome and scary? That seems to be a little odd.... Besides, for all you know, that's just what one of the types of dragons wings look like. The dragon in the trailer had skin attached to the torso. You have to remember there are different types of dragons in skyrim and I don't see how a little extra skin missing from one type of dragon makes it as cuddly as a kitten <_<

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:44 pm

So your saying that having a little bit more webbing between the wing and the body will make it look meaner?

Um... alright.

[edit] Sleign had the idea haha.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:37 am

Meh

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:42 am

Dragons could never fly. That much mass being upheld by any reasonable wingspan defies physics. if you look at the prehistoric Pterodactyls they had massive wingspans but a low central body mass.

To think of it this way, average humans would need a wingspan of something like 20 feet in order to be able to fly. I dont think a dragon could ever fly without magic.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:22 am

voted for bottom one, top one looks like a castrated bat :lol:

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:22 pm

Wait? So the dragon in the trailer wasn't fearsome to you? If it gets another foot of skin to attach to it's torso, it magically gets fearsome and scary? That seems to be a little odd.... Besides, for all you know, that's just what one of the types of dragons wings look like. The dragon in the trailer had skin attached to the torso. You have to remember there are different types of dragons in skyrim and I don't see how a little extra skin missing from one type of dragon makes it as cuddly as a kitten <_<

First, the dragon in the trailer, did NOT have skin attached to the torso. I know this because I noticed the problem while watching the trailer.

Second, you might be right. It might be that some species of dragon DO, and I guess that would be cool.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:43 am

The Bottom Dragons Wings Are Cooler, I Didn't Notice Anything Else...

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:52 am

voted for bottom one, top one looks like a castrated bat :lol:

http://whyy.org/cms/radiotimes/files/2010/02/bat.jpg

Note the attached wings? Now, which dragon looks more like a castrated bat? :meh:

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:50 pm

I don't really mind, as long as they look fluid when they fly, and not like they're just hanging there with their wings supporting them. I want their tails to "swim" through the air, and their legs to be pushed right back when in full flight.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:23 pm

I don't really mind, as long as they look fluid when they fly, and not like they're just hanging there with their wings supporting them. I want their tails to "swim" through the air, and their legs to be pushed right back when in full flight.

From watching the trailer, it seems like the animations are nice and smooth.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:53 am

When I was watching the footage of a dragon flying, I thought something was off.

To me, the dragon's legs appear disproportionately huge and the wings seemed too frail to support its flight. This is not good because, if I don't believe the dragon is real-looking, or think it looks scrawny, it won't scare me. At the moment, it doesn't scare me because it looks weak.

So I tweaked it a bit, and my question for you is, which one would you prefer in-game?
[img]http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/NealKenneth/DragonComparison.jpg[/img]

Errrmmm....i voted for bethesda's way.
Your saying that,that bit of extra skin is going to scare you more?.....don't think so.
And i see a flaw in your design too.The dragon would not be able to manipulate it's wing movement as well,because of that extra skin attached to it's body.
There would be certain instances where the skin would rip from the body = i prefer bethesda's way.
Also...someone just posted about the wings to body ratio anyway.
Thanks for the effort.....but!...
You have been weighed,you have been measured,and you have been found wanting. << joke :thumbsup:

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:25 pm

definitely the bottom one looks better.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:02 pm

Yeah, the membrane has to connect with the body otherwise it can't achieve lift. It would be like flapping a piece of paper. I really hope it's fixed in the game.

Errrmmm....i voted for bethesda's way.
Your saying that,that bit of extra skin is going to scare you more?.....don't think so.
And i see a flaw in your design too.The dragon would not be able to manipulate it's wing movement as well,because of that extra skin attached to it's body.
There would be certain instances where the skin would rip from the body = i prefer bethesda's way.
Also...someone just posted about the wings to body ratio anyway.
Thanks for the effort.....but!...
You have been weighed,you have been measured,and you have been found wanting. << joke :thumbsup:

This isn't a matter of personal preference ("Which one looks better?") It's wrong.. In rl, the dragon wouldn't be able to fly. At all. it MUST have the skin attach to it's body, and it would still manipulate it's appendages well. Like i said, it'd be like holding a paper sheet in both hands and trying to fly. Won't work.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:48 pm

Errrmmm....i voted for bethesda's way.
Your saying that,that bit of extra skin is going to scare you more?.....don't think so.
And i see a flaw in your design too.The dragon would not be able to manipulate it's wing movement as well,because of that extra skin attached to it's body.
There would be certain instances where the skin would rip from the body = i prefer bethesda's way.
Also...someone just posted about the wings to body ratio anyway.
Thanks for the effort.....but!...
You have been weighed,you have been measured,and you have been found wanting. << joke :thumbsup:

The added realism of the creature would halt the hindrance of my suspension of disbelief. A more believable terror is always more effective.

If the skin was flexible, it would not tear. Thank you for the feedback!