I don't see a difference. What am I suppose to be seeing that is different? Back to reading the rest of the posts now.

Like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGWbt3DSje0,I had to :rofl:

Ah I see the difference. I voted the bottom, I like how the wing continues all the way to the body. So is Bethesda using the top one? To be honest, I never noticed right away so not a big deal to me.

Since the title is THE ELDER SCROLLS V: Skyrim,and not "The ascetically appealing adventures of dragons" nor "Medieval true to life SIM 2011",I voted top.

The wings should not look like they can support him. The dragons do not follow real world aerodynamics but instead rely on magic...or some other force. The quote on the first page of this thread should of been the end of this thread IMO!

Yes, but if you can't take the time to type out a sentence or two or ten on why you think something is a non-issue, then you aren't really contributing. One word responses, or responses of a single emote are generally, unless it's a silly type thread, just rather dismissive. Yes, I am "meh" on the issue, I look at what I am seeing in the video, and the angle or depth of the wing membrane attachment just not going to be an issue, as far as I am concerned. If they left it as is, or modified it slightly, I just wouldn't be bothered either way.

They look pretty small. Perhaps they fly with magic as well?

Very nice. End of discussion.

And still people love everything else being as realistic as possible.
You can have at least SOME realism in fantasy creatures, when the rest tends to be.

:sigh: Okay, show me a picture of a real dragon and I'll demand that Bethesda make all the ones in-game look like...oh, wait. Problem. Only "real" dragon I can think of is the http://www.dinosaurtypes.org/images/other_prehistoric-creatures/reptiles/komodo/komodo.gif. Alright Bethesda, off with the wings! Well, if nothing else it'd be obvious that those of us saying magic was involved in dragon flight were indeed correct.

WIth the lore proof of them using magic to fly it kinda throws out all usefulness of the wings, other then to make the spell easier to use and maintain... Therefore this discussion should be over, it has proven that it is a meaningless topic, and all boils down to personal preference. And i personally like the approach Bethesda has taken.

multiple types of dragons in mythical lore

so in a fantasy there can be many types of dragons.....

so they booth look good, though I prefer the ones with the wings attached to the body

Having read every negative response thus far, I feel I should voice a retort.

A common argument against the addition of the additional wing flap is that it may conflict with the lore of Tamriel. The claim is based upon the fact that dragon flight is enabled by use of magic, NOT from the wings themselves.

This leads some to believe that the wings must very obviously NOT support the weight of the dragon. However, if this is the case, why have wings at all?

I believe that magic should be primary or secondary, but that the wings should play a role as well. Right now, they are silly because they are physically too weak for any purpose at all. Indeed, even when the extra flap is added, the wings could still not support the weight of the dragon (and therefore does not conflict with the lore) but at least it is not so jarringly unrealistic.

In summary, the extra flap does not conflict with lore, as the dragon would still need magic to fly. Therefore, any opposition to it should be opinion based on personal preference, not based upon any other argument, as they do not come to fruition.

I ask that if you voted against the extra flap because it "conflicts with lore", to please reconsider, as it does not.

I hope this is the case if Bethesda keeps the wings the way they are.

Just a bump to see how what people think now.

lol @ "It's not going to scare me."

According to King Edward, Part XII:

Moraelyn asked with a smile,
"All right then, I've always wanted to know this - considering the shape of your mouth and teeth, how do dragons manage to speak the humanoid languages so clearly?"

Akatosh paused, and then carefully responded,
"Why, in much the same way that we can fly, even though our wings are not naturally strong enough to support such heavy torsos."

Total agreement. It would be a good change.

Thank you, but this has already been brought up and has no effect on the discussion.

Realistically, the wings being connected to the body would still not be able to enable flight alone, so magic would continue to be required. If they are connected to the body, however, the wings could stabilize and steer, whereas right now they do absolutely nothing.

You're welcome! :thumbsup:

I know I know. That's why I added a nice little paragraph after I said meh as well. Just having a little fun poking at ya.

Anyway, like I said, I'm meh. To be honest I think it would be strange for that membrain that reminds me of a bat's wings to connect to scale.

In my opinion the dragons are pretty impressive and intimidating They remind me much of the http://www.google.com/imgres?q=nazgul&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbnid=C1hNGutgemHWQM:&imgrefurl=http://forum.i3d.net/silly-offtopic-games-english/34471-game-big-picture-war-19.html&ei=xEWeTcXlGNOI0QHhzd3SBA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=842&vpy=298&dur=1416&hovh=169&hovw=299&tx=126&ty=66&oei=xEWeTcXlGNOI0QHhzd3SBA&page=1&tbnh=121&tbnw=214&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0&biw=1366&bih=667 in The Lord of the Rings movies which IMO were pretty intimidating.

What's wrong with the wings? Looks great to me.

Don't understand how a flap of skin will help them look meaner, or help them look more realistic.

Because there isn't a single flying non-insect I can think of that doesn't have its wings connected to its body with additional flaps/feathers, instead of coming down to a single bony joint.