Dragonborn/Dovakiin, is he descended from the Septims?

Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:35 am

I can't imagine how the Septims would have had an argonian child...


Maybe involving a lusty, lusty argonian maid...
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Jeneene Hunte
 
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:53 pm

no we are a dragonborn and i know that the septim are but if we are why the hell should we be emperors ??????

and by the way oblivion question why cant you wear amulet of kings(i know why you are not a septim) and mankar camoran can????

and the ones who [censored] the empire whas the high elfs they killed the emperor lol in a mithic dawn altmer assassin killed the emperor
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:29 am

but in the hundreds of years time between Tiber and the Dovahkiin of Skyrim I'd say chance are near impossible that they are truly related.

Time actually makes it more likely that the player is related to Tiber (or anyone else). If Tiber's son had an illegitimate son we don't know about, and his son had a few kinds, and their kids had a few kids... Kind of how http://web.unife.it/progetti/genetica/Giorgio/PDFfiles/ajhg2003.pdf.

Anyways, like the other's have said, being Dragonborn is not something you can inherit from you parents, and it is extremely unlikely that the hero will canonically be a descendant of Tiber. You can always roleplay him/her as such, of course.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:47 am

I remember hearing something about dragonblood being in the septim line compared to being dragonborn.. Not really sure what dragonborn implies but someone knows.

At the end of Oblivion, the Blade say that they will wait for a new Dragonborn to come so, no, they are the same.
So if other heroes (like Neverine) where Dragonblood then the Blades would not have to wait for 200 years.

But I also think that you think of "descended" in the wrong way. I do not think Dovakiin is blood-descended. I think Dovakiin is more of a spirituel-descended.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:32 am

its not hard to imagine... if one of the septims got intimate with an argonian woman, boom... argonian child.

it was already confirmed that children are born the same race as the mother, with traits from the father.

example: nord father + argonian mother = argonian child.


That's only confirmed between men and mer. Khajiit and Argonians are neither. According to "Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology, Seventh Edition", there's stories of children of these unions, but no confirmed cases.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:06 am

The reference to Nerevarine being dragon born comes from this Nerevarine Prophecy:

From seventh sign of eleventh generation,
Neither Hound nor Guar, nor Seed nor Harrow,
But Dragon-born and far-star-marked,
Outlander Incarnate beneath Red Mountain,
Blessed Guest counters seven curses,
Star-blessed hand wields thrice-cursed blade,
To reap the harvest of the unmourned house.

But it has been interpreted to mean that the person who would become the Nerevarine was born in the Empire, and was a servant of the Empire. Not that he/she had the soul of a dragon.

Tiber Septim achieved CHIM and became Talos. He shares a collective oversoul with Wulfharth, an avatar of Shor and an early Nordic god-hero, and Zurin Arctus, the Underking. Shor is the Nordic version of Lorkhan. Therefore, Tiber Septim could reasonably be an avatar of Lorkhan, who dreams himself into existence in a way similar to Dagoth Ur. It is possible that Dovakhiin is also a minifestation of Lorkhan, or that Lorkhan some how appointed a random person to be Dragonborn.

Most likely, Tiber Septim and Dragonborn are spiritually "related" (connected would be a better word).
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:15 am

There are no 'lines' of Dragonborn. There are mortals touched by the Divines, and given a dragon's soul and the ability to wield the power of a dragon and near the strength of same.

Tiber Septim's bloodline was unique, as they became the guardians of Oblivion. That line was dinked around with by the Divines to =keep= the qualities that made them fit to hold the Amulet of Kings and keep the barrier in place. There is no blood connection to any of them outside the Septim dynasty; a Dragonborn has appeared when the Divines felt it needful, and only then. It can't be faked, passed by blood or magic to another. It is literally a potential appointment from the Gods. And I say potential because the chosen one had to learn to harness the power in them; some did. Others did not. Those who did found their names in the Elder Scrolls. Those who didn't.........did not.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:56 am

Um, thats kind of impossible since the whole Septim line was killed in Oblivion.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:06 pm

no he is a normal person with the sould of a dragon
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:45 am

Um, thats kind of impossible since the whole Septim line was killed in Oblivion.

Again, I think that you think of "descended" in the wrong way. I do not think Dovakiin is blood-descended. I think Dovakiin is more of a spirituel-descended.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:38 pm

Nah, DragonBorn means those who are gifted/favored by the gods.The Septims can read glimpses of the Elder Scrolls in their sleep, the Nevarine was the reincarnation of the Nevar who is technically a diety(Is worshipped by the ashlanders), and Dovahkiin are gifted with the ability to slay dragons/absorb their souls.The Septims are one of the many groups of DragonBorn.Usually, DragonBorn is usually refering to Akatosh, but the Nevarine was made a reincarnation by Azura(and was gifted by Tiber Septim with the Luck of the Emporer), and the Dragonborn is probably gifted by a god.


(BTW Tiber Septim is a god for those that didn't know, the Nevar was given the Luck of the Emporer by him at Ghost Gate.)
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:07 am

Yes they descend from the septims

Septims = Imperials
Main Guy in Skyrim = Nord
Nord =/= Imperial
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:36 am

Septims = Imperials
Main Guy in Skyrim = Nord
Nord =/= Imperial


Imperial=Nord, The Imperials are descended from ancient Nords that came to the continent and conquered Cyrodiil.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:50 am

the septims are the only family of dragonborn so yes :mohawk:
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:26 am

so your related to a septim :mohawk:
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:11 pm

the septims are the only family of dragonborn so yes :mohawk:

No.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:19 pm

The Septims have dragon blood running through their veins, you have the soul of a dragon also Septims died off with Martin, so no they aren't related.

Also the dragonborns aren't all related.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:34 pm

Seeing how she is a khajiit and the septims were imperials, i very much doubt it :P
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:26 pm

Seeing how she is a khajiit and the septims were imperials, i very much doubt it :P


The children take the race of their mother.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:46 pm

But humans and khajiit cannot produce offspring with eachother.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:45 pm

The children take the race of their mother.

That's Men and Mer. What I know, Beasts can't have children with Men/Mer or other Beast for that mather.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:52 am

Septims = Imperials
Main Guy in Skyrim = Nord
Nord =/= Imperial


tiber septim's original name was talos.. and talo came from atmora... which is where the nords originated from.

so... the septims kinda started out with a nord, more or less.

Edit:
That's Men and Mer. What I know, Beasts can't have children with Men/Mer or other Beast for that mather.


sorry, i recall a developer confirming that beasts would work the same way, a long time ago when someone asked about it.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:04 am

the septims are the only family of dragonborn so yes :mohawk:

The Septims are *A* family of dragonborn. The original GameInformer article suggested they were but one of a number of such bloodlines, if I'm recalling correctly.
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:02 am

Souls aren't genetic. You don't have to be a Septim to have a dragon soul.

People will be playing all races, not just humans. I can't imagine how the Septims would have had an argonian child...

My guess is that the pact with Akatosh involves becoming some sort of 'blood brother' thing, allowing dragon blood to be passed to descendants.

you never know with those lusty argonian maids running around
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Post » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:27 am

no they arent descended from them. Give me one piece of solid info saying Dovahkiin is a direct descendant of the (spits on ground) Septims

and whats with all the mer/beast/and non imperial possibilities of being a Dovahkiin
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