Correct me if im wrong but isn't Akatosh the god of time? because of him the other gods grasped time and where able to create nirn/mundus so how was Akatosh created due to a schizophrenic split of Alduin and Auri-EL?

Fooling around with a lusty Argonian maid? :whistling:

Has been asked before, but has never been decided. Basically we came to the conclusion we would have to wait for it to come out cuz Beth has refused to comment. But just for the fun of it, DISCUSS!!

Well, it comes from the fact that the Blades call the Septims Dragonborn and said, efter the death of the Septim Bloodline, that they would wait for the next Dragonborn.
But I think people are thinking wrong about the word descendant. I don't think Dovahkiin is blood-descendant to the Septims, I think Dovahkiin is a spirituel-descendant.

But there is one problem with this: Akatosh was the one who made the Septim bloodline Dragonborn. Alduin are the Dragon who wants to destroy the world in "Skyrim". Akatosh and Alduin are supose to be the same God. So why would he create a Dragonborn to stop himself?

No, the Imperials are the origonal Nedic people who lived in Cyrodiil, predating the nords..



Tiber Septims origons are questionable, in fact, the people of Alcaire have a day to celibrate him because they claim he hailed from their part of High Rock. No one know where Tiber Septim came from and he has numerous names, no one can truly claim to know where he is from.



Akatosh's supposed deal was with Alessia, not the Septims.

lol whose theory says the Nerevarine was? Somebody who wants to role their Morrowind dark elf in Skyrim?

Whoa, what's with the Septim hate? By spitting at their name, you're spitting on Martin too! <3 Martin

Alduin: "No, I am your father!"
dun...dun...dun...dun...dundun...dun...dundun...

septim bloodline is no more man...

For the numerous factual reasons put forth in this thread, the response to the OP is "absolutely not".

/thread

Seriously, nothing more to discuss.

The Nerevarine can't be a Dragonborn. Esbern himself claims that "there's one they fear...." He's referring to Skyrim's main character. Esbern seems like the kind of guy who would know if there's really "one they fear" or "two they fear". Now, the Nerevarine has some advantages, such as no aging and immunity to disease. He would probably own some dragons based off his own powers (and Wraithguard/Sunder/Keening/Daedric Artifacts that may still be in his/her possession) alone, not some magic in his blood. Assuming Vivec is still kicking, and he isn't too drained from lack of access to the Heart, he'd probably be up to the task too.

You are such a nerd...

... have room for one more to grovel at your feet?

This is my theory, and I'm posting it after only reading through the first two pages of the topic, so if it's been mentioned before, sorry 'bout that.

Martin Septim has said in the game of Oblivion, if you present him with the Sanguine Rose, "I never thought to see this again. I once possessed it, briefly ... a lifetime ago, it seems now ..." Which says to me that he used to follow the Daedric Lord Sanguine. Sanguine is described as "a Daedric Prince whose sphere is hedonistic revelry, debauchery, and passionate indulgences of darker natures. Fittingly, he often appears on the seals and signs of brothels and [censored]-houses. Sanguine is depicted as a portly man with a demon-like head with horns, always with a bottle in his hand or a [censored] under his thumb. He is thought to control thousands of realms, and his enemies are Ebonarm and the Benevolence of Mara. His summoning day is Heart's Day.

The term sanguine can mean either "cheerfully optimistic" or "bloody"; the double meaning is appropriate for a prince whose realm encompasses both the light and dark sides of passion."

Which tells me that Martin Septim is not the innocent little priest that people might think he is, or entirely the noble leader that sacrificed himself to send Mehrunes Dagon back to Oblivion... He had a darker, more passionate side.

He was Uriel Septim's bastard child. Why wouldn't he have his own bastard children, of which he may know nothing about, due to his revelries with female followers of Sanguine, or whatever hedonistic lifestyle he might have had before? It's quite possible that the Dovhakiin (however you spell that) is a distant relation of Martins.

There's a lot of http://www.imperial-library.info/content/identifying-dragonborn . I had never thought of it before, but indeed, Mankar Cameron who stole the Amulet of Kings in TES4 was able to wear it as only dragonborn could. This means that being a dragonborn is NOT strictly heredetary as was once believed. Being dragonborn is obviously a spiritual concept also. The Skyrim game story should shed light on this as well, when it comes out, I think.

Lets not forgett that Talos is called the Dragonborn. Tiber Septim was the Dragonborn and his bloodline continued untill Martin. Acording to the Blades (and Greaybeards) they where also Dragonborn. But, in truth, Alessia should be the original Dragonborn. Or, maybe she wasnt born as it but became it and after her all who followed. When Alessia's bloodline died, Tiber Septim was born as the new Dragonborn. Now it is time again for a new Dragonborn to be born. I think Dovahkiin is sprirituel related to Alessia and Tiber Septim but not by flesh. They are Dragonborn with the blood of a Dragon, but not the same blood of man.

There have been other Dragonborne before, as stated, Tiber Septim was Dragonborn, why couldn't the Nerevarine be one? there's always the chance he could, hell the original Neverar could have been Dragonborn for all we know, that doesn't mean he is however. Even then the Nerevarine has been written out of history now so weather he was or wasn't doesn't matter because he will never return and is thus in sequential.

Weslor: Less I am mistaken they have the soul of the Dragon, not the blood of one.

I remember hearing that Dragonborn has nothing to do with the Septims...

But the Amulet of Kings can only be used by thoes with dragon-blood in their veins.

No Dovakhin specifically is not related to the septims because dovakhin can be of any race within the game. and theres' no way a septim slept with an argonian or a khajitt and actually made a baby. the line of septims is however dragonborn unlike wat some previous poster has stated. its hereditary but i guess not necessarily always that way. every septim has been dragon born tho but they are really pushing its meaning this time around. I have a feeling this hero will be the most epic once or at least as epic as the neravarine was. but like i was saying Dovakhin has a dragons soul not dna and he can be of any race u choose him to be making it impossible for him to be related to the septims. I'm not even sure how he became that way maybe he is reincarnated or the last of his line idk. but i mean heck in the TES games they never even tell u y ur in prison... u just r. so w/e the past of the character is malible that way so u can have ur own unique roleplaying experience.

I have decided that my character is not related to the Septims since she will be a Khajiit.

Why do people forget that they can also go to Daedric realms when they die?

Well, my character is related to my hero of Cyrodiil and his half-brother, the Nerevarine, whos father defeated Jagar Tharn and uncle did some work in Daggerfall. :thumbsup:

Propaganda, that is all.



Because its so rare or unpleasent? the average joe isn't going to go to a Daedric Realm, thats why its usually not considered but your right, I forgot, if you made some pact with a Daedra you can indeed go to a Daedric Realm.

Yeah, the average person would not die and go to a realm to live in. But anyone tied to a Daedra probably would or anyone doing a malevolent act. Not unpleasent all the time. Moonshadow is known to be a beautiful place.


From "the Old Ways":

We recognize the multiple threats that a strong tyrant represents -- breeds cruelty which feeds the Daedra Boethiah and hatred which feeds the Daedra Vaernima; if he should die having performed a particularly malevolent act, he may go to rule in Oblivion...

Look also "Sixteen Accords of Madness": in Volume IX Sheogorath got soul of executed madman, and in Volume XII soul of an orc warrior was sent to Sheogorath's realm by Malacath himself. Possible, daedric princes are able to overtake a corrupted soul (maybe that's why Molag Bal was so interested to ruin Melus Petilius' oath). There are also the other ways, like N'Gasta's business with Clavicus Vile.

It seems, that in general souls of daedra followers go to realm of their Princes after death. Somewhere was that khajiits goes to Moonshadow.

From the descriptions of most Daedric Realms I'd say 90% of them are very unpleasant lol, but your right.