I was playing Oblivion last night and got to the point where Martin is saluted by the Blades.

I wasn't really paying that much attention to it at first, but when the Blades shouted "Hail Dragonborn!" I was intrigued.

That would mean one of two things: Martin had fun before we met him, or Uriel and Jauffre trolled us the entire time and didn't tell us that there was a second illegitimate heir to the throne.

Now what I want to figure out is this: ALL 10 races can be the Dovahkiin in Skyrim, so what exactly would your linage be for your character?

I'm thinking as hard as possible, but I can't figure out what happened from Martin (or unknown heir #2) all the way to my character. I invite you all to succeed where I have failed.

(I don't know if the Dragonborn existed out of the Septim bloodline, but I'm assuming you're from that since you have at least one member of the Blades helping you through the game).

You are not of the Septim Bloodline. Dragonborn doesn't neccesarily mean that you are a Septim.

You are born with the soul of a Dragon.

its obvious martin septim is same as all othere priests he found him self a nice young girl in every village he preached
after all his father was a king while his mother was a tavern wench

how ever my dovahkiin will be seperate linage from septim as my character will not be imperial heritage

~edit http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gods

sorry for randomness but i noticed the game of thrones dude and the sig and have to wait for next year for new season...

ot: the first replys got it nailed

Yes, it is

Septims are Dragon born because of the Empires origin and the people who made it happen, some people believe Tiber was a Dragonborn like Dovakiin in Skyrim is, I don't share that sentiment since anyone can learn Thu'um, the Greybeards arent Dragonborn and they can bellow with the best of them. Martin is not a Dragonborn like Dovakiin, none of the septims as far as Lore is consered was Born with the Soul of a Dragon. the Septims are Dragon Born in Title only, as a Symbol, hell the Empire sign is from Akavir.

So what you're saying is, that being Dragonborn isn't related to bloodlines, but just randomly happens to people?

If that's the case, then the "last of the Dragonborn" story element is incredibly [censored] lame.

There are just stuff that aren't clear

first off in Jan DragonBorn (Dovakiin) was stated to be apart of a bloodline of Ancient Dragon Hunters, apparenlty Dragons were baddies back in the day

Nords worshipped Dragons, NEVER STATED ANYWHERE EVER, in Lore up until now, so thats new as well.

There are a bunch of "lasts" like esbern being the Last Blade, Im not sure where Dovakiin being the last Dragonborn came from but meh.

These Dragons aren't the same Dragons that left Akavir and Morrowind.

This.

lol wow im quite impress with u ppl actually read up all this lore,all i care is play the damn gameXD

Would really love for them to try to explain how an orc is related to said bloodline though.

Given you can pick your race

I think the fundamental flaw in considering the Dovakiin ancestry is that we're assuming that being dragon born is a purely hereditary trait. It's been said explicity that people are dragon born because they're picked by the gods. Surely they can see the future of mortals and assign as Dovakiin dependent on its necessity.

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Nords worshipped Dragons, NEVER STATED ANYWHERE EVER, in Lore up until now, so thats new as well.

In Oblivion i remember captain Burd saying that the Nords would rather worship their dragon gods then akotosh...or was a it a priest

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The Dragonborn is not a Septim. HOWEVER, the Septims are Dragonborn. If that makes sense.

Try reading the thread.

I thought you had to be descended from Tiber Septim (Talos) to be Dragonborn. :huh:

No, the Septims are dragonborn because akatash chose them to be so. However, with the exception of Tiber Septim (who was a mighty warrior much like we will see with the Dovakiin), they had different destinies. Essentially, the following Septims were indeed dragonborn, but for a different purpose, if only just to have the ability to wield the amulet of kings. They weren't aware of or never had to use their potential. Also, it is never stated that just anyone can learn Thu'um; and it's been stated that those who can don't do it nearly to the extent that the dovakiin does.

No one said Tiber Septim was the only dragonborn. There must have been others before him. Dovahkin could be descended from a completely different line of dragonborn, having nothing to do with the septims

OP, I heard that line in Oblivion just the other day and wondered the same thing. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around any of the beast races being Dragonborn. It SEEMS like it's hereditary, and you could kind of imagine a mixed race being a descendent, but it's a bit confusing to me. I don't want to feel like I have to be a Nord, but it's hard to grasp the Dragonborn "lineage"

Do you keep that in notepad to copy-n-paste every time one of these threads pops up? :rofl:

If not, might be a good idea.

.....No they are not DragonBorn I.E people born with the Soul of a Dragon they were pressed into the deal Akatosh as soul sacrifices to keep their part of the Bargain in keeping the barriers up Alessia started that and shes not even a Septim, THEY ARE NOT REPEAT NOT SPECIAL in that sense, Tiber was some kind of Shezzarineness going on, they are not Dragon Born in any form BUT Symbolic.

in some old interview/podcast Todd said that you are chosen by the gods to be born with a dragons soul, and that they do that from time to time, (in a time of need or something like that)
it was around E3,

Tiber Septim was almost certainly a dragonborn. Your entire theory is based on that he never absorbed a dragon, which he had no need to do. Or that it's never been said he had the soul of a dragon, which is what it means. Just because we didn't know what it meant means he wasn't one? He wasn't even from Cyrodiil, but a Nord from High Rock.

We just don't know if the rest of the Septims were.

I like the idea that the gods choose the dragonborn. The Septim family have dragonsblood as a hereditary honor.

I think the Dovahkiin is basically pulling a Tiber Septim. Both decided to fulfill/ were picked/ fell into the prophecy of their day. Tiber Septim marched to the Throat of the World, while every other nord villager was running away screaming and terrified. He stood there, took the decibels like a man, and came down a hero. A twolegged weapon of mass destruction. The nords couldn't even look at him anymore without seeing a mighty dragon.

There could have been other Heroes that possibly filled Tiber's shoes in his time, but they failed at some point, a la the Nerevarine stories. The Hero of Skyrim is basically doing the same thing, not necessarily being septim-imperial-ehlnofey in origin, but completing the prophecy.

What was that quote again? "Each event is heralded by Prophecy, but without the Hero, there is no event."

Nowhere in any lore is it suggested that the Septims being Dragonborn is purely symbolical. If you have come across anything that says otherwise, i would love a link.

On a related note, I think that our dovahkiin might possibly be the next Tiber Septim-ish historical figure. I could see the end crowning you or an heir as either high king of Skyrim or emperor of Tamriel; quite possibly even both. ESPECIALLY with the confirmed addition of marriage. That could play a huge role in the plot.