Dragons, Akavir, and civil war.

Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:26 am

Now, call me crazy and all, but I think the armor Duvakhiin is wearing in the trailer slightly resembles the Akavir armor from Oblivion.

That's because Duvakhiin means dragon-born. The dragon-born and their protectors, the blades, have always traditionally worn Akaviri style armor.
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:32 pm

I just read up on the lore of the four races of Akavir just now, so if my lore is bad then just ignore me.

A lot of people are throwing around the idea of the Tiger-Dragon Empire's invasion, which would be fascinating. Yet there is the debate as to why their kind would fear the "Dragonborn." According to what I've read, the Emperor of the Ka' Po Tun was a person that discovered how to transform into a dragon - and while this is suggested as metaphorical, there are possible physical characteristics that changed the Emperor as well. This "transformation" sounds metaphorically similar to the link between Akatosh and the royal line of Empress Alessia and Tiber Septim. Could it be possible that, if it is in fact true that the game's conflict will involve an invasion by the Ka' Po Tun, that they fear the "Dragonborn" because he/she is, in fact, linked somehow to Akatosh just as the Septim line and Martin were?
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:13 pm

I just read up on the lore of the four races of Akavir just now, so if my lore is bad then just ignore me.

A lot of people are throwing around the idea of the Tiger-Dragon Empire's invasion, which would be fascinating. Yet there is the debate as to why their kind would fear the "Dragonborn." According to what I've read, the Emperor of the Ka' Po Tun was a person that discovered how to transform into a dragon - and while this is suggested as metaphorical, there are possible physical characteristics that changed the Emperor as well. This "transformation" sounds metaphorically similar to the link between Akatosh and the royal line of Empress Alessia and Tiber Septim. Could it be possible that, if it is in fact true that the game's conflict will involve an invasion by the Ka' Po Tun, that they fear the "Dragonborn" because he/she is, in fact, linked somehow to Akatosh just as the Septim line and Martin were?

Yes. The word "Dragonborn" is a reference to the Septim line because of the pact they made with Akatosh. Either Bethesda gave "Dragonborn" a new meaning, or this is a hint that the main character will in some way be linked to Akatosh, perhaps even a surviving Septim (which I think would be a little stupid, but certainly possible).
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:54 pm

I'd say the dragon in the trailer either means we'll be seeing actual dragons, or represents the Dragon-Born mentioned in the dialog in it, in fact, it's quite possible that it symbolizes both. And I have to agree with what has been said that the civil war is probably just the result of political unrest caused by the whole issue with there being no Emperor and all that. That doesn't mean Akaviri can't take advantage of the chaos caused by it to invade, of course, but we don't know yet. The trailer suggests the return of some old threat that was once defeated, but is now returning, but is this one of the Akaviri races? Going by the dialog in the trailer, it actually seems unlikely, seeing as they talk about how people didn't want to believe that "they", whoever they are, were real, but it really doesn't seem like anyone tried to deny the existence of Akavir or its inhabitants, considering that people occassionally talk about it, at least one book about it is fairly common, and the signs of Akaviri influences can be seen in some Tamrielic cultures.



That's assuming the game takes place after the destruction of Morrowind, which we don't know yet.


But an Akaviri-invasion/return of the dragons was never even mentioned in The Infernal City. And the novel takes place 40 years after the Oblivion crisis. ;)
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:38 am

I feel as though it might be an Akaviri threat. I doubt they'd have so much lore about Akavir if they didn't plan to have them as some sort of antagonist in one of their games.
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:26 pm

I feel as though it might be an Akaviri threat. I doubt they'd have so much lore about Akavir if they didn't plan to have them as some sort of antagonist in one of their games.

Yeah. There has been a ton of lore about Akavir (even if there wasn't actually much concrete information) and I think it would only make sense for the Akaviri to have a larger role in one of the games. I for one am certainly hoping that that game is Skyrim.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:24 am

The only tangible bit of Akavir I've seen in games is the equipment of the blades and that little quest involving the countess of Bruma and the Pale Pass. Have we actually seen any Akaviri races in the game, other than what's noted in the books?
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:24 am

The only tangible bit of Akavir I've seen in games is the equipment of the blades and that little quest involving the countess of Bruma and the Pale Pass. Have we actually seen any Akaviri races in the game, other than what's noted in the books?

No, not unless there was a very small appearance in one of the older games that I'm unaware of.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:24 am

No none, which would leave Skyrim open for some Akaviri action like never witnessed before, my gripe is.


why would the Akavir, specifically the Ka'po'tun attack Skyrim....when there is a massive piece that is Morrowind in shambles sitting right there for a landing, the Tsaeci did it, its entirely plausible if this has anything to do with the Akavir that the Ka'po'Tun have...or have not accurate information.

Have: know that the Tsaeci had a failed attempt through morrowind and brunted east tamriel as well back off, so this time around they would go....around....

Have not: don't realize Morrowind isn't much of a resistance anymore (PROVIDED V occurs after the MOT plummets and raqes all that is Vvardenfell.)
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:03 pm

Could it also be possible that the Infernal city could play a part in Skyrim, as the last info we have is it is heading for Morrowind thus it could tied in with an attack from the Akavir Ka Po 'Tun ? and the easiest way for them to attack would be thru Morrowind and perhaps some dragons are hiding in Oblivion somewhere also,... if this were the case I am seeing an story of Epic proportions here,... with possible traveling between parts of Elsweyr, Morrowind,ect,... like in Morrowind with the bloodmoon and tribunal content.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:48 am

The fact that Dragons are hiding, and there supposedly was once a great war of Dragons has me puzzled, this old enemy is either Dragons or the Akavir......and the trailer was really specific about Dragons >_>
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:30 am

Okay so if by some incredible coincidence, the dragons that are invading Skyrim are the Ka Po' Tun, Would you think they might be a playable race. They are after all a race similar to Kajiit. Bipedal feline creatures that were taught how to transform into dragons by their God, Tosh Roca? They are supposed to be allies of the Tang Mo, another race native to Akavir called monkey people. Could we play as one of those?

Just wondering.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:15 am

No none, which would leave Skyrim open for some Akaviri action like never witnessed before, my gripe is.


why would the Akavir, specifically the Ka'po'tun attack Skyrim....when there is a massive piece that is Morrowind in shambles sitting right there for a landing, the Tsaeci did it, its entirely plausible if this has anything to do with the Akavir that the Ka'po'Tun have...or have not accurate information.

Have: know that the Tsaeci had a failed attempt through morrowind and brunted east tamriel as well back off, so this time around they would go....around....

Have not: don't realize Morrowind isn't much of a resistance anymore (PROVIDED V occurs after the MOT plummets and raqes all that is Vvardenfell.)

We don't know yet that they didn't invade Morrowind. Skyrim may not be the first target in the invasion, just the one that the story focuses on. Cyrodill was the focus in Oblivion, but the Daedric invasion was happening all over Mundus. Just because the main focus is Skyrim, doesn't mean that's the only place that's being invaded. And, Skyrim is a pretty strategic target given its location. Morrowind, being in shambles, would be an easy target, but a relatively useless piece of land to hold given its current state.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:13 am

1.How likely is the "dragon" in the trailer a symbol for one of the Akavir nations? The Tsaesci have tried to invade
before and supposedly they ride dragons.

it cant be if you look on the wall on the TESV website an akavir is fighting a dragon
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:33 am

I've explained my theory before, but I'll do it again. Learning how to become dragons from their leader, Tosh Raka, the Ka Po' Tun of Akavir invade Skyrim, ravaged by civil war between Solitude and Winterhold. The story will be about the hero uniting Skyrim against the impending Akaviri threat.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:43 am

Based on what I've read here and on the wiki and re-watching the trailer with my anolysts helm on I'm siding with the Akiviri invasion theory. Another voice to the chorus!

The Neverine comes back from his/her expedition to Akivir claiming that the Akivir is now ruled by and swarming with ascended Ka Po' Tun, or dragons. He is dismissed by the Elder Council and the rulers of the provinces (here is where nobody wanted to believe comes in - the only line in the whole trailer that contradicts the clues that lead us toward the Akiviri invasion conclusion). Concerns are towards the bloody civil war in Skyrim spilling discord over into the other lands. The real threat creeps, grows and descends like a flame upon the weak and cowardly people of Tamriel. The Dragon Born, Dovahkiin has some special power allowing him to withstand the Ka Po' Tun and their ascended powers (something related to Akatosh). Nevertheless, all the races of Akivir are soldiers in the invasion force and war rages on.

Skyrim becomes the front line in Tamriel's defense, but help is hard to come by, as the threat is not felt by those far to the South. You hero must assist Dovahkiin in putting the civil war to close and to repel the invaders from a distant land!
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:34 am

Yes. The word "Dragonborn" is a reference to the Septim line because of the pact they made with Akatosh. Either Bethesda gave "Dragonborn" a new meaning, or this is a hint that the main character will in some way be linked to Akatosh, perhaps even a surviving Septim (which I think would be a little stupid, but certainly possible).


There are already other "usages" of Dragonborn in the lore, it doesn't mean the Septim line.

In the Lost Prophecy text, the Nerevarine was stated to be Dragonborn. In this cases, lots of loremaster believe it simply meant he was born in the Empire.

The term "Dragonborn" is also used by the Mer. The elven oracles had a prophecy where the Dragonborn was supposed to destroy them (Altemiric Dominion). See Preface to the PGE, 1st Edition, for an elf's comment on the subject. From the preface, it looks like the oracles didn't have the impression that Septim was the Dragonborn. Although, Tiber Septim did fulfill that prophecy in the end.


I have the feeling that Dragonborn just mean "Chosen of Akatosh".
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:31 am

Okay so if by some incredible coincidence, the dragons that are invading Skyrim are the Ka Po' Tun, Would you think they might be a playable race. They are after all a race similar to Kajiit. Bipedal feline creatures that were taught how to transform into dragons by their God, Tosh Roca? They are supposed to be allies of the Tang Mo, another race native to Akavir called monkey people. Could we play as one of those?

Just wondering.


Well, Mehrunes Dagon and his Dremora were invading Cyrodiil in TES IV yet we couldn't play as a Dremora. :shrug:
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:46 am

Based on what I've read here and on the wiki and re-watching the trailer with my anolysts helm on I'm siding with the Akiviri invasion theory. Another voice to the chorus!

The Neverine comes back from his/her expedition to Akivir claiming that the Akivir is now ruled by and swarming with ascended Ka Po' Tun, or dragons. He is dismissed by the Elder Council and the rulers of the provinces (here is where nobody wanted to believe comes in - the only line in the whole trailer that contradicts the clues that lead us toward the Akiviri invasion conclusion). Concerns are towards the bloody civil war in Skyrim spilling discord over into the other lands. The real threat creeps, grows and descends like a flame upon the weak and cowardly people of Tamriel. The Dragon Born, Dovahkiin has some special power allowing him to withstand the Ka Po' Tun and their ascended powers (something related to Akatosh). Nevertheless, all the races of Akivir are soldiers in the invasion force and war rages on.

Skyrim becomes the front line in Tamriel's defense, but help is hard to come by, as the threat is not felt by those far to the South. You hero must assist Dovahkiin in putting the civil war to close and to repel the invaders from a distant land!


I like it! Except for the part of assisting Dovahkiin. Maybe instead of the PC helping Dovahkiin, the PC is Dovahkiin, though they just don't know it yet, kind of like Neo in the first Matrix movie.
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:46 am

it cant be if you look on the wall on the TESV website an akavir is fighting a dragon

where which race
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:20 am

where which race


Ya, the Dragon-born has a human nose. Although it does look like he has a serpent's tounge at first!
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:58 am

I think that akavir will come to invade skyrim, but when the dragons start to attack them everyone will team up and learn the value of friendship, but afterwords they kill each other in a bloody war
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Post » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:27 am

Based on what I've read here and on the wiki and re-watching the trailer with my anolysts helm on I'm siding with the Akiviri invasion theory. Another voice to the chorus!

The Neverine comes back from his/her expedition to Akivir claiming that the Akivir is now ruled by and swarming with ascended Ka Po' Tun, or dragons. He is dismissed by the Elder Council and the rulers of the provinces (here is where nobody wanted to believe comes in - the only line in the whole trailer that contradicts the clues that lead us toward the Akiviri invasion conclusion). Concerns are towards the bloody civil war in Skyrim spilling discord over into the other lands. The real threat creeps, grows and descends like a flame upon the weak and cowardly people of Tamriel. The Dragon Born, Dovahkiin has some special power allowing him to withstand the Ka Po' Tun and their ascended powers (something related to Akatosh). Nevertheless, all the races of Akivir are soldiers in the invasion force and war rages on.

Skyrim becomes the front line in Tamriel's defense, but help is hard to come by, as the threat is not felt by those far to the South. You hero must assist Dovahkiin in putting the civil war to close and to repel the invaders from a distant land!


Sounds awesome
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:58 pm

Based on what I've read here and on the wiki and re-watching the trailer with my anolysts helm on I'm siding with the Akiviri invasion theory. Another voice to the chorus!

The Neverine comes back from his/her expedition to Akivir claiming that the Akivir is now ruled by and swarming with ascended Ka Po' Tun, or dragons. He is dismissed by the Elder Council and the rulers of the provinces (here is where nobody wanted to believe comes in - the only line in the whole trailer that contradicts the clues that lead us toward the Akiviri invasion conclusion). Concerns are towards the bloody civil war in Skyrim spilling discord over into the other lands. The real threat creeps, grows and descends like a flame upon the weak and cowardly people of Tamriel. The Dragon Born, Dovahkiin has some special power allowing him to withstand the Ka Po' Tun and their ascended powers (something related to Akatosh). Nevertheless, all the races of Akivir are soldiers in the invasion force and war rages on.

Skyrim becomes the front line in Tamriel's defense, but help is hard to come by, as the threat is not felt by those far to the South. You hero must assist Dovahkiin in putting the civil war to close and to repel the invaders from a distant land!



Me Sounds like a Mass effect pitch, especially the first bit.

Council member: Ah yes "Dragons" we have dismissed that claim.




a thing or two about this though.




Heros/players in past games tend to disappear, never to be heard from again.

The Eternal Champion, Daggerfalls hero, the Nerevarine, and potentially the Champion of Cyrodiil and the complications with Sheogorath. Many players enjoyed this aspect in a sense and I think it would cause some unsettlement if a past character suddenly comes back and is portrayed in any form, against what the players themselves envisioned.
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Post » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:37 pm

Cliff racers are gone. Jiub drove them out of Morrowind :P

Lore fact : p
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