I have some questions.

1.How likely is the "dragon" in the trailer a symbol for one of the Akavir nations? The Tsaesci have tried to invade
before and supposedly they ride dragons.


2.If it is one of the Akavir nations could it be possible that its be Ka Po' Tun rather than Tsaesci. In Mysterious
Akavir Tosh Raka says, "First, is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to
invade Tamriel. I mean we don't know if Tsaesci has lost the battle against Ka Po' Tun.

3.Now finally the civil war...could it also be possible that one of the Akavir nations is behind the civil war. The more
I think about it will be the perfect place to attack the empire.


Are any of these possible? To be honest I like these better than real dragons...

Me too, and that would be beyond sixy.


However, they would hit Morrowind long before they touch Skyrim, and it would be of significance in the infernal city and its companion books.

still that is an interesting look on it, who knows it could be.

Hopefully. because I rather not some...warring factions type thing and alot of nord hubbub

I think the civil war is just due to the unrest as one would expect for an empire after its collapse but other than that i believe the theory of the Ka Po' Tun invading tamriel is quite possible however the speaker of the teaser speaks as though whoever the invading force maybe had foreknowledge of the oblivion crisis

I would like to see the Tang Mo, they remind me of Sun Wukong.

But why would the Akavir fear the Dragonborn?

I'm pretty confident we're getting actual dragons. Most of the people that saw the teaser are not TES lore experts. They're expecting dragons, and it would be needlessly cryptic if the dragons in the mural were merely symbolic.

Bethesda's said on Twitter that we'll be seeing actual dragons, so I think we can discard the "dragons are a symbol of..." theories. And as a previous poster said, the civil war can easily be attributed to the collapse (and subsequent attempted rebuilding) of the Empire.

It's not impossible that Akavir is involved, there's just nothing in the trailer to suggest it.

Would be awesome if that kind of subtlety existed in the trailer...sadly. I doubt it.

Besides akavirian dragons are extinct whilst tamriel dragons just went into hiding.

Morrowind is in rubbles. Besides, they would probably attack the weakest country first. And Skyrim is divided.

Thats just silly...because some people aren't lore experts? if its dragons or akavir doesn't matter people are still gonna get lore shoved in their brain whether they like it or not!

I'd say the dragon in the trailer either means we'll be seeing actual dragons, or represents the Dragon-Born mentioned in the dialog in it, in fact, it's quite possible that it symbolizes both. And I have to agree with what has been said that the civil war is probably just the result of political unrest caused by the whole issue with there being no Emperor and all that. That doesn't mean Akaviri can't take advantage of the chaos caused by it to invade, of course, but we don't know yet. The trailer suggests the return of some old threat that was once defeated, but is now returning, but is this one of the Akaviri races? Going by the dialog in the trailer, it actually seems unlikely, seeing as they talk about how people didn't want to believe that "they", whoever they are, were real, but it really doesn't seem like anyone tried to deny the existence of Akavir or its inhabitants, considering that people occassionally talk about it, at least one book about it is fairly common, and the signs of Akaviri influences can be seen in some Tamrielic cultures.



That's assuming the game takes place after the destruction of Morrowind, which we don't know yet.

There was a quote in the trailer, something along the lines of, "They're defeat was merely a delay." Akavir has been defeated before and the Ka Po' tun do want to invade Tamriel. That's not concrete by any means but I think it is possible that more of the Ka Po' Tun have transformed into dragons and are invading.

I think the second book will be interesting as it should bridge some details.

edit: There was also the quote about people "refusing to believe the even existed" and I think this is a reference to the dragons but not the dragons of old. I think it's describing the new dragons that were formed from the Ka Po' Tun as I don't think people would readily believe that that kind of transformation could actually take place.

Also, in regards to the books, I think it'd be pretty silly if Skyrim didn't take place after the books. I mean, there'd be no point in having TES V bridge the gap between TES IV and the books, would there? That's why I think the second book will contain a bunch more details that could be used to discern the general plot of TES V.

They fear the unknown? Or maybe they know of some prophecy of old, or maybe because the Emperors were Dragonborn they fear the Emperors and the Empire? However maybe a new Empire and Emperor will rise now?

You can think of it like this.

Akavir had invaded Skyrim before, but they were defeated at Pale Pass. So it's not completely unheard of for the Akavir to invade Skyrim. It would be a relatively useful tactic to hold Skyrim and go to Cyrodiil through there, thus holding the heart of Tamriel.

As well, it is said that the dragons were extinct after the Tsaesci "ate" them all, but it could just be that they nearly destroyed them but not quite all of them.

Also, another interpretation, the Ka Po' Tun could have figured out as a collective how to transform into the dragons. Their leader had achieved it once before, so it isn't out of the question that others would be able to undergo this transformation.

I dont think Dragons would go anywhere near Morrowind as lore states that they were driven out of Morrowind by the cliff racers, not making this up people its a Lore fact, has any one givin thought to the other place from which dragons might arise ? Elsweyr as some kajiit are said to try and become Dragons and at least one was able to do so, another bit of Lore fact.


sorry see that others have already mentioned the Ka Po 'Tun,.... babysitting makes my writting slow so I fall behind on the topics lol

Cliff racers are gone. Jiub drove them out of Morrowind

the only Dragonlike of the Ka'po is the Leader of the Ka'po'tun, everyone else are Big-Cat like people. the Akavir who invaded Tamriel were the Tsaeci, who are snakes-men.


if Morrowind was in rubbles...wouldnt it be the weakest?.....Akavir is 4000 mi to the EAST....Morrowind as before would feel the initial attack.

we dont KNOW he is the only one, we only know that he WAS the only one at the time of the writing, in the meantime others may have achieved success as well.

We don't know if they invaded Morrowind or if it's before or after Infernal City

Besides, Tosh Raka is supposed to be the first one of his kind to become a dragon, not the only one.

This is all true, and I would be remiss not to mention that the infernal city mentions nothing about Dragons so I would think after the Infernal city, even tho Bethesda said these things happen Immediately after the Oblivion crisis didnt they ?

aye, people keep throwing around the we don't know bit.

I'm stressing there were no Dragons among the Tsaeci when they invaded......(correct me if I'm wrong please) the Tsaeci and Ka'po are TWO DIFFERENT SPEICES. however thats mute since they are all Akaviri and the average nord may not know the difference.

there is no Timeframe of V, yes yes I know you can stop barking that, but given the reliability of Bethesda's releases. as much as one can speculate the timeframe being 200 years, isnt it more prudent to suspect something along a few decades or less. the speaker MENTIONS THE DAEDRA INVASION meaning this is fairly recent, he wouldn't if this was infernal city's timeframe because that event was FAR more horrifying

The whole section of these Dragons in the trailer suggests some part of Tamriels history we haven't been informed of yet, there was a war with Dragons on Tamriel? Akavir has no more Dragons and the ones that came here from Akavir were mauled by Cliffracer swarms/ went into Hiding.

That would be utter crap...

I like these discussions I think/hope it will be the Ka Po'Tun. This would satisfy both the symbolic and literal reference of the dragons in the trailer. Dragons are a symbol of Akavir, so the symbolism is obvious there. However, it is said that Tosh Raka has become an actual dragon, and it is possible that some others of his race have "evolved" like this as well, so there could still be real dragons. We know that the empire has not heard from any of the Akaviri races for generations. I believe this is because Tosh Raka was having his war against the Tsaesci, which would have been a huge war that likely enveloped all of Akavir. We also need to remember that the Tang Mo have allied with the Ka Po'Tun, so they are likely involved in this campaign as well. It's possible that Tosh Raka was successful in his campaign against the Tsaesci, and is using the civil war in Skyrim to his advantage to begin his invasion of Tamriel. He may have had a hand in causing the civil war, or it may have just been a coincidence, and an opportune moment to begin his invasion of Tamriel.

This is what I think anyway, take it as you will

You are correct in saying that there were no dragons among the ranks of the Tsaesci when they invaded Tamriel, but there are a few things we still don't know. A highly improbable circumstance is that the Ka Po' Tun sided with the Tsaesci, or perhaps it's dealing with the Tsaesci defeating or "eating" the dragons. We know far too little to be able to make assertions regarding the Akaviri, especially when so little is known about them.

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Another idea could be that the dragons had intended to invade Tamriel before, but the Tsaesci defeating them had pushed their invasion off. It is known that the Ka Po' Tun wish to invade Tamriel, and strategically speaking, going through Skyrim would be a logical strategy. Take note, however, that the Ka Po' Tun are not good with fighting at sea, so it could be that they are trying to evade Morrowind as it would be quite obvious that there would be much more likelihood that sea battles would occur there.

Now, call me crazy and all, but I think the armor Duvakhiin is wearing in the trailer slightly resembles the Akavir armor from Oblivion.