Next thread: Skyrim is a bad location for TES. :rolleyes:

Ok bad is too strong of a word. But I do feel that they might have took a lot of resources and time to create. Therefore, a lot of features that could have been in were probably scrapped.

I have waited a very very long time to see dragons in TES, It's finally happening and I think it's fantastic, plus I don't see how adding dragons could be taking anything away from the game when dragons are such an integral part of the main story.

Can you get much more epic than a GIANT WORLD EATING dragon? Essentially an organic deathstar

I didn't read the entire thread, just a portion of it so I apologize if any of my points have been touched upon previously.

For starters, people are jumping all over you and your "assumptions" because of the thread title. You didn't make an open proposal, you made a bold claim, that's failure number one. People react to thread titles first and content later. I'm actually kind of wondering if you didn't sensationalize it on purpose. Either way, based on the title alone, it seems you are in fact making a grand assumption.

Then we have your logic that if they spend too much time on dragons, other areas suffer: Firstly, this is a matter of opinion. I don't care about climbing, having 400 totally unique, special dungeons, etc. Whereas you care about such things, likely moreso than you do dragons, thus you believe these areas will suffer. Others might be wanting to play this JUST to fight dragons because very few games use them these days, and fewer still do them well. They would take the stance that making a key story element and not putting enough effort into it is hurting the game.

For all you know they are just highlighting the dragons currently in news articles and the like simply because it's the main part of the game. It's all about Alduin, the Dragonborn, and dragons. The extra stuff is, well, extra. They may have such systems, or they may not be able to implement such systems well even if they had the resources and time. Engines do have their own specific limits. So even thinking that something to add more depth, immersion, flavor, and roleplaying elements isn't making it in because of the main story elements as opposed to technological limitations is a poor start to begin with. The size, scope, and passion going into this game should be enough to tell you that if they can do something well, they'll add it simply to make the game even better, the reason they don't is less about time and resources, and more about engine limitations. Just some food for thought.

And like I said before, if it isn't dragons, it'll be another primary story element and its support, effects, and ties. If they don't have a main story element, with a few major selling points, it's unlikely the game would sell well to begin with. Part of enjoying RPG games is enjoying the story. The plot, in essence, backed up by the lore, is the foundation upon which great games are made. Do you think WoW has 12 million subscribers because of the gameplay? Maybe, but it started because people loved the Warcraft lore. I played WoW because I wanted to immerse myself into the Warcraft world, live the story, and ultimately write my own. Dragon Age 2 was a letdown in many ways, including the story being rather insignificant in scope, but it was told well, and ultimately made the game enjoyable for many people, including me. Blizzard does well because of the rich story behind each of their games combined with good or excellent gameplay. The point is: A game is nothing without a story.

So to summarize: Thread title is sensationalized making people jump your [censored] over perceived assumptions and a grandiose claim. Your logic is flawed from the getgo because anyone could argue that spending time on X removes time spent on Y and thus makes the game less enjoyable for them. And finally, you need a good story, with plenty of characters, a primary antagonist, and supporting features to make a good RPG, or just about any other type of game.

Do you mean a separate company? Because of course they would, they have an Art design team, sound design, level design, etc. So what I'm saying is basically as soon as the company decided to go with dragons, all of the teams in different departments was effected, they may have had a separate team for dragons but ultimately every team had to work on dragons in one form or another.

If J.R.R. Tolkien had left out that part about the One Ring, he could have spent more time elsewhere, like introducing the Balrog more elegantly, or fleshing out the personalities of the Elven characters a little better. The One Ring didn't really fit with the lore all that well anyways. I mean, it's, like, the only magical item with an active effect that's survived to the Third Age. Imagine some of the ideas Tolkien could have added into the series if he hadn't spent so much time worrying about the Ring.
I'm not saying he should have scrapped the Ring, but imagine the things he could have put in if he'd left the Ring out.
The One Ring is BAD for the Lord of the Rings!

Imagine how much better Mount & Blade would be if they'd spent less time on the combat and had focused on other things, like a better map view and a more efficient character development system.

Imagine the Half Life series if they hadn't been so worried about their physics engine and had spent more time on weapon variety and shaving down loading times.

Imagine the Star Wars trilogy if George Lucas had spent less time worrying about that silly "The Force" business and had spent more time delving into politics and social climate leading up to the rebellion. Oh, wait.

Have I made my point?

(Furthermore, it's Isildur and Aragorn. C'mon, this is some people's lifeblood you're messin' with )

Lore less? Uriel Septim and his son Martin both possessed dragons blood, which allowed them to control the Dragonfires. So where did it come from if dragons aren't part of the Elder Scrolls lore?

Yes I understand that story is the determining factor of everything else. But you guys make it seem like Skyrim was the ONLY option for the next Elder Scrolls game.

Yes I understand that story is the determining factor of everything else. But you guys make it seem like Skyrim was the ONLY option for the next Elder Scrolls game. As I told someone else that said basically the same thing, the story could have been set in Black Marsh and took place 50 years after Oblivion with a completely different story instead of the 200 years that Skyrim is. Oh and I was not intending to spell their names correctly because I dont want people screaming copyright infringement.

Do we know for sure that those are the "same" dragons?

Ok bad is too strong of a word. But I do feel that they might have took a lot of resources and time to create. Therefore, a lot of features that could have been in were probably scrapped. Features that would of been so beneficial that you might even say "whats a dragon" when someone mentions it. Want examples? Maybe a climbing system to take thieves to a different level, jumping from rooftop to rooftop or climbing assassins creed style to break into someones two story house at night. Maybe they could of added a robust AI system where they react to virtually anything ie: if you complete a quest from Aragon then he may tell isildor about it without the player knowing, so isildor speaks of what you have done for aragon and wants you to do something. I mean you guys are well aware of all of your ideas, so what if they didnt make it because of dragons... Or worst what if dragons are not all what they are cracked up to be? I will end it on a good note, I'm confident that bethesda will deliver a great game, but I'm not sure if it will be the epic game we all think it will be. Tell me your thoughts!

1. This isn't Assasin's Creed.
2. Wha? You know there IS a thing called radiant story, radiant AI. They have random quests from random pepole and they do their everyday tasks. This isn't a linear game you know? Maybe you could do that in a LINEAR game since you have to do a specific task and you WONT know. You would still find out about it in a free-roam world like this.

Oh and Dragons ARE The Story. Just erase the story and create something new? New Story: "Snowy Oblivion Plane Opens Gate.. Bladdy Blah Blah.. Close The Jaws... Blah Blah Blah..." So would you like a civil war with giant boss-fight-like battles or do you want the same Emperor words over and over again?

After 9 pages and 160 something replies you still refuse to listen to any sort of logic or common sense. I don't see what you aim to gain by arguing with EVERYTHING everyone says that goes against your "set in stone" mentality.

After 9 pages and 160 something replies you still refuse to listen to any sort of logic or common sense. I don't see what you aim to gain by arguing with EVERYTHING everyone says that goes against your "set in stone" mentality.

I really do hope you read my REPLIES to everyone, if you did how could you say I'm arguing if I agreed with a lot of other peoples rebuttals. So just read my other replies before you disrespect me.