THIS is NOT ASSASSINS CREED.

Lets erm.... calm down a bit

The OP raises valid points but personally I think dragons will be worth it in the end. From what i have seen of dragons, they do look like the best monster/ creature Bethesda have ever made for the elder scrolls series. On top of that, the other creatures I have seen also look a lot better than in the previous games.

We can’t really say if Beth has concentrated more on dragons compared to all other features. We all don’t work at Bethesda so we don’t really know how it works (except for thunderjunk ofc ). The OP raises good points and I do agree with them "if" Beth has spent too much time on dragons. But they are the main part of the story so most of the information Beth has given us so far would ofc be about dragons. We have not heard anything about guilds, side quests, etc... So I don’t think we have anything to worry about.

Also please calm down on the debating or I can see this topic getting locked.

See now you are not being truthful, look at page 3. I'm not replying to you anymore "fool of the took" lol! :facepalm:

I appreciate your thoughts!

How can you complain about dragons,and that it makes them spend less time on other things? It baffles the mind. I think personally,you've done this to get a reaction,and that's exactly what's happened. We can do jobs,properly now if we want,mine,smith,chop wood,maybe even fishing and others.There is more focus on crafting,they also seemed to have focused alot more on alchemy.....and there still plenty we don't know.Either your really out of the loop,or your gunning for a reaction. Hell we've only seen a few seconds on dragons,and they look [censored] nailed on brilliant to me already.You have your opinion,but c'mon man,complaining about this is stupid.

No, I'd much rather have dragons. Why would they be not all they're cracked up to be if, like you even said yourself, they spent so much time on them? How can we know anything they put in the game is good then? By the way, it's Aragorn not "Aragon".

The difference is that simply talking about ideas is alot less work than actually implementing them. They probably just bounced ideas off each other during breaks from working on Fallout, with someone writing the odd point down. That wouldn't have had to cut into their Fallout time at all.



Except that would probably be time that they'd spend anyway taking a break from Fallout so that they didn't burn out, or doing things like having lunch or maybe a beer after work. Just because they were talking about ideas doesn't mean they weren't also working full steam on something else. It doesn't take alot of time and energy to simply toss ideas around, certainly not enough to interfere with other things they were doing.

Best part? Maybe in Morrowind. Regardless of that, though, the story is the main driving point in the game. It's what causes you to act in the first place. If I just wanted an open-ended world where I could run around, there are plenty of simulators out there. In an RPG, the story is the driving force, just because I didn't rush off to complete the main story first doesn't mean it's not why I played. I went to do other things first to prepare for the main story, to test the game's limitations, to learn about the game, and explore all of the glorious content the developer's created. However, at the end of the day, I did it to train my character, hone my skills, create a backstory for myself, and to prepare for the main questline. In retrospect, in Oblivion it was probably a bad idea to go train up first, but that's another subject entirely.

The point is, without the story, even if it isn't the best part, you just have another simulator. It is the driving force that causes you to act, what moves the game along, and what ultimately ends up being your motivation to play through it. Without a story, the hero is hardly a hero, conflicts are minor and bland, and in the end, you have no real motivation to continue on in the game.

Let me pose a question to you: If Oblivion or Morrowind had no main questline, would they be nearly as fun or interesting for you to play?

Because they're both the central feature of the main story of their respective games. Oblivion was all about shutting the gates and ending the Daedra threat, Skyrim is going to be about dragons.

Don't Complain, anything you can think of will probably be added by the massive mod community, Stop Complaining!

There is no two sides to this debate, the OP is simply being misguided. Dragons are Skyrim, they're the central element of the main story, the principle protagonists. Bethesda can't possibly have spent too much time on them. As someone so nicely pointed out, that would be like saying that Tolkien spent too much time on the Ring.

Man, it is waaaay to late to start preaching against dragons in TES.

If it had been anywhere else on Tamriel, I would have been peeved. However, since this is Skyrim, and we are dealing with Alduin-World-Eater, dragons make perfect sense.

I think we owe it to Bethesda to check out what they come up with for Dragons.

You can't place enough :facepalm: 's in a reply to accurately convey my feelings toward this thread.

Completely agree with OP.

I'm sure the dragons will be very cool. But there are many other aspects of the game Bethesda should have figured out before devoting so much time to dragons. Todd has said numerous times that they completed their original goals, and kept expanding and expanding on that ONE feature.

This is the Elder Scrolls. Not the Dragon Scrolls. Fighting dragons would be much more enjoyable if I could do it from horseback, or with weapons other than a bow, sword, and ax, or with a small army (1-5) of NPC companions, or have situations where I'm attacked while sailing on the open ocean, or scaling a tall building and leaping onto the back of a dragon...etc etc etc ad nauseum.

You can't have a good game without having a good central story. Name one RPG produced in the last 20 years that didn't have a main plot.



This new story is a logical progression from the one in Oblivion. The Septims were dragon born, but they never explained what that meant or how it came about. Now they are. They're simply expanding on the existing lore, something they couldn't have done if they would have had a completely unrelated storyline based in Black Marsh.

Ooops, double post.

I think Oblivion was a good game... but it had a really crappy central story.

Then you'd basically be fighting a giant cliffracer from Morrowind.

Becoming the bearer of one of the most important artifacts in TES lore, fighting off an invasion from Oblivion, witnessing the end of the Septim line, yeah really crappy. :whistling:

Yes, Skyrim's going to be only about Dragon hunting. Also you can only play the races and characters that you saw in the trailer, hope you like horned helmets.
There won't be anything else in Skyrim, just the things that they're advertising.



Also this whole "if they wouldn't work on this they could've work on that more" mindset is just dumb. Things doesn't work that way, please stop saying this!

Yup, this is what I think.

I think they payed attention to everything else aswell. Have you seen the detail they put into those screens of the dungeons and tavern. If all the areas have a unique feel like that and not just copy/paste. Well I gotta say they must have work their asses off on detail and a many other things.

Well that's a matter of opinion, but the OP seems to be saying that Skyrim shouldn't have a central story at all. Personally I didn't find Oblivion's central story to be all that bad. I've seen better, I've seen worse.

Sorry mate,but i think saying the dragon scrolls is going a bit far. I'm very much looking forward to them.Not only that,we've been told of different types too.They are a part of lore.Knowing of their return and as to why and so on etc,is going be amazing in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if the greybeards are dragons,and their the one's who speak in "english" to us. As for fighting them from horse back,that's not out of the question yet.And some shouts will be a weapon ( so to speak ) so that's something different than bow,blade,axe etc right there. They've devoted so much to dragons for a few reasons. 1: There a massive part of the story. 2: The want to do them like no-one has done before. ( which is looking like the case ) 3: They wanted so much from dragons,but then realized how much better the could do them. Thats not to say other things haven't had the attention either though. They seem excited about the factions,i think they'll be far better than in oblivion. ( but we'll see ).The doing more with alchemy. There giving us crafting,and say a fair amount of focus as gone into that also.We can do proper jobs.Wecan basically create our own constellation as we go along...theres loads of extra stuff,and we've yet to know more. So to basically,for the OP to say it's all about dragons,is wrong in a way.But dragons are going to be at the for-front of attention,because we haven't seen them before,they play a huge role,and they are simply an epic creature.

Also the title should of been worded differently,if that's not what he really meant,but i guess that was done for attention.