Dragons are the new Oblivion Gates

Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:33 pm

From what I have read, I am guessing that all the dragons in the game are only there to kill? As the generic RPG fare critters? None of them are going to be something you can interact with positively? *sigh* I loves dragons too much to find myself playing another game in which they are only merely to be killed. :(





You have no taste in games my friend, Dragon Age: Origins was the best game of 2009.

I'm going to have to agree with the previous post in that DA: Origin is not a good game. Overhyped and overrated.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:26 am

I'm pretty sure quoting is okay as long as it's just a snippet. So here is a quote from the magazine
"Dragons are real regular in the game world. They fly into battle at unexpected times. They rave towns. They wield awesome power. And you'll have to face them repeatedly in single combat."
Judging from the screenshot (pg56/57) and what they describe of fighting a dragon it's going to be epic and terrifying every time.

Whereas Oblivion gates were epic the first few times but then got kind of old.

Edit* @Rezca The dragons are not hear to play how to train your dragon with us :P (great movie) However! You will be able to learn a dragon shout in the game that will force a certain dragon in particular to come to your aid. That is going to be incredible... But I imagine that will be a shout you get later on because it seems dragons are huge and scary and powerful... yeah :celebration:
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:44 pm

Edit* @Rezca The dragons are not hear to play how to train your dragon with us :P (great movie) However! You will be able to learn a dragon shout in the game that will force a certain dragon in particular to come to your aid. That is going to be incredible... But I imagine that will be a shout you get later on because it seems dragons are huge and scary and powerful... yeah :celebration:


Never seen that movie.

I can understand having dragons that want to kill, it just gets to me when ALL of them have to follow that. I guess my post implied that I wanted them to be cuddly goody-goody creatures. Not my intention :P

Or, I figure it *might* be like DragonQUest I (Was Dragonwarrior in AMerica) Where the antagonist found he could communicate and even control dragons, and forced them to do his bidding until he was killed by the hero and afterwards the dragons were released from his magic. Could be something along the lines of that, but even so I can't justofy going around slaughtering the one thing I love most so I am likely to find my self sitting this game out.

*Good, just, and awesomely generic do-gooder vs the evil generic slaughter everything on a whim dragon* is what this game's dragons is turning out to be me thinks. The main villain(?) I could care less about how he acts. It's the "lesser" ones I am worried about their well being and safety. I think there are enough T and M rated games with randomly violent dragons in them as the main attraction. Getting old real quick and I avoid those games like the plague.
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:57 pm

I'd honestly be suprised if they didn't do this.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:32 am

They said that dragons are regular creatures.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:59 am

I hope Dragons are winged deathclaws that can breath fire/any other element Beth so chooses. But at the same time, they should do more than just charge you head long, and it should take more than just hack and slash to take them down. Dragons are smart, so they should think. Use their heads and react to how your fighting them. At the same time, you should have to use your head along with your characters stats in order to find a way to take them down.
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:28 pm

Never seen that movie.

I can understand having dragons that want to kill, it just gets to me when ALL of them have to follow that. I guess my post implied that I wanted them to be cuddly goody-goody creatures. Not my intention :P

Or, I figure it *might* be like DragonQUest I (Was Dragonwarrior in AMerica) Where the antagonist found he could communicate and even control dragons, and forced them to do his bidding until he was killed by the hero and afterwards the dragons were released from his magic. Could be something along the lines of that, but even so I can't justofy going around slaughtering the one thing I love most so I am likely to find my self sitting this game out.

Well in the lore of Elder Scrolls -as we know it- Dragons were used by the good guys -depending on your perception- They helped the empire. Well, at least some dragons did. Though as most things in Elder Scrolls it seems nothing is a 100% fact. And we don't know yet if the dragons are being controlled by Alduin, or if they are just his homies. They only showed black dragons in the article an well, they are not nice.

Also how can you not justify slaying a dragon when it's ransacking a local village murdering innocent people? :confused:

Edit* @Resistance Knight. They do all that. And He handled the dragon in the article by using a dragon shout that stunned the dragon and seemed to have slowed down time. Giving him the perfect chance to thrust his sword into the dragons neck. All done with no quick time or anything like that. It seems you definitely won't be hack n slashing these dragons the same way you would another creature.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:43 am

Well, at least the backdrop will be different though...it seriously got tedious going into those Oblivion gates, when all of them looked pretty much identical. :confused:
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:37 am

They said that dragons are regular creatures.


Then wouldn't they *oppose* to the fact some(one/thing) wants to "eat the world" (Implied to physically eating, as mentioned many times on the forum. True meaning and intentions are unclear. Metaphorically or otherwise) that would likely result in them being killed? If that were the case then there would or should certainly be some willing to lend you their aid WITHOUT you murdering their brothers/sisters etc.

Regular creatures again implies that they are disposable monsters and not worth concerning over whether they live, die, or go extinct or whatever. Dragons + Humans/Elves vs Dragons would be interesting (To me anyway...) where the dragons siding with humans (Like in Runes of Magic and Warcraft) may or may not actually AID you directly ...

Also how can you not justify slaying a dragon when it's ransacking a local village murdering innocent people? :confused:

How can you justify plowing down their homes to make room for a bunch of cows and then expecting them to let you continue doing so? (Non-elder scrolls example most likely... But still)

Sure if your life is on the line like that anyone would attack one. Of course, if the creature is capable of intelligent thought on par with humans and elves, one could try reasoning with him or her. I am more talking about their only purpose in the game is to provide something to kill, attack things, and overall just be in your way.
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:56 pm

Theres is going to be about 20 dragons + alduin if hes in
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:12 pm

It was implied (more or less, I choose to see it as fact) that SOME dragons were willing to lend their aid to a degree..

I find it easier to accept killing them when it's more diverse in how they behave - some want to burn down humans, others object to doing so, and others just live normally and only do what they need to do to survive. Living to kill and only kill is they way they ALL act makes it seem like a random RPG - regardless of the story itself.

Think what you will of me, laugh if you must, but I am going to a corner and cry.. Thinking of the one true love of mine being reduced to this. Again.
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:12 pm

*sigh*
Another oblivion gate blocking my path. I don't care about the sigil stone, and the run is boring, but then I have a dark orange sky looming over me everywhere I go...
Once more into the incredibly boring breach I go...

Yeah I could see dragons being like this.
But I hope not...
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:47 pm

I always took them out with about 8 bottlecap mines. Easy as cake.

Dragons really should be far stronger and more intelligent than that. I think one issue is that the Behemoths had no abilities. Oh they hit hard, sure, but what ELSE do they do?

Nothing. They did nothing else.

Dragons need fire breathing, Dragon Shouts, flight, strong attacks, MULTIPLE attacks (claws, tail whips, etc), gusts of wind from their wings, etc.

A fun way to beat the behemoths is if you get to a high lvl and a high unarmored skill with that paraluze puonch. No bullets of any kind and a LOT of fun :celebration:
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:22 pm

Then wouldn't they *oppose* to the fact some(one/thing) wants to "eat the world" (Implied to physically eating, as mentioned many times on the forum. True meaning and intentions are unclear. Metaphorically or otherwise) that would likely result in them being killed? If that were the case then there would or should certainly be some willing to lend you their aid WITHOUT you murdering their brothers/sisters etc.

Regular creatures again implies that they are disposable monsters and not worth concerning over whether they live, die, or go extinct or whatever. Dragons + Humans/Elves vs Dragons would be interesting (To me anyway...) where the dragons siding with humans (Like in Runes of Magic and Warcraft) may or may not actually AID you directly ...


How can you justify plowing down their homes to make room for a bunch of cows and then expecting them to let you continue doing so? (Non-elder scrolls example most likely... But still)

Sure if your life is on the line like that anyone would attack one. Of course, if the creature is capable of intelligent thought on par with humans and elves, one could try reasoning with him or her. I am more talking about their only purpose in the game is to provide something to kill, attack things, and overall just be in your way.
Just in the way of how they seem to be in Skyrim. They were banished from the world because they were trying to destroy it/help Alduin eat it. That is there purpose. Now "we" as a Dragonborn are of the few selected hero's who have been picked by the Gods (which? The nordic pantheon?) to stop this. These Dragons cannot be reasoned with. Because it is their job to destroy what we are trying to protect.

As for the other guy saying they are regular creatures... They are, but not in the sense of other creatures are regular. They are regular as in you will face them regularly in the game.

Edit* Note: Not all dragons in the Elder Scrolls are like this. The "nice" dragons have all went into hiding to be left in peace. So, can you accept killing the bad ones now? :)
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:48 am

I doubt there'll be dragons on every hilltop like there were oblivion gates lol :P
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:14 pm

Personally, I don't see how you can even begin to draw this conclusion given the fact that you, nor I, know absolutely nothing about the storyline of this game.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:28 am

Just in the way of how they seem to be in Skyrim. They were banished from the world because they were trying to destroy it/help Alduin eat it. That is there purpose. Now "we" as a Dragonborn are of the few selected hero's who have been picked by the Gods (which? The nordic pantheon?) to stop this. These Dragons cannot be reasoned with. Because it is their job to destroy what we are trying to protect.


It still seems there should be SOME trying to protect their home/world from this threat instead of being mere pawns fighting to break stuff.

Edit* Note: Not all dragons in the Elder Scrolls are like this. The "nice" dragons have all went into hiding to be left in peace. So, can you accept killing the bad ones now?

Most likely. They "good" or the very least, neutral, ones should come out to keep their rampaging kin in line though. Unless thats where the previously mentioned Dragon summons come into play - those being the "good" ones coming to help.

Personally, I don't see how you can even begin to draw this conclusion given the fact that you, nor I, know absolutely nothing about the storyline of this game.

It's easy - the trailers, blogs, etc all showed them being something to kill and nothing more. I didn't see many dragons fighting alongside humans in that wall mural either, did you?
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:20 pm

They mentioned that Dragons attack towns right? Not only is that an indication of open towns (yay!), but that dragon fights can vary not just by type of dragon (fire, ice, lightning - if they exist) but also by the location of the fight. For example:

Dragon attacks large town: Player fights the dragon supported by town's militia. Arrows raining from archers on the walls and towers; guards bravely rushing the dragon, amounting to little more than a distraction to provide you with an opening; packed buildings become obstacles for you or the dragon - dragon climbing over them, meaning you have to run through alleyways to cut him off at the other side - or you could climb a building and leap from it onto the dragon's back?

Dragon attacks small settlement: Player fights the dragon while it attacks citizens. Do you defend the people, or wait for the dragon to start eating one - using that as a chance to attack from behind?

Dragon attacks player in wilderness: One-on-one fight, with use of terrain playing a heavy role in the outcome of the fight - if you use it well. Woodcutting as a skill indicates that trees might be destructible: Imagine a fight in the forest, where one huge swing of the dragon's tail could shatter through the surrounding tree trunks, with the player needing to dodge them as they crash to the ground. Boulders could be used to hide from dragon fire. Fights at the top of a mountain could stir up a blizzard, reducing vision for both combatants: harder to see the dragon coming, but also harder for him to see you.

As far as what you get from killing the dragon, we already know about Dragon Shouts, but don't forget that Smithing is now a skill. I'm betting dragon scales, claws, and teeth are lootable and can be forged into some pretty epic weapons and armour. The Daedric equivalent for Skyrim? Certainly a lot more of an achievement to earn it by slaying several dragons and forging it yourself, than finding it on every random marauder after level 30.

I'm just using my imagination, and perhaps some of these ideas are beyond the new engine's capabilities (destructible trees), but I'm sure Beth have utilized the environment to add variety to the Dragon fights. Wasn't that the biggest complaint of Oblivion gates after all? They all looked and played out the same? These guys know what they're doing. If we can think of these ideas, they definitely can.

Thats an AWESOME idea. If they do it like this they have really done it well :obliviongate:
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:35 pm

Well I'll just have to wait for ES VI then. I just can't lowering myself to this level, no matter how good the game or series is.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:26 am

And once you kill a dragon, what shall we find in it′s corpse?

Among things already mentioned - DRAGONBONE! If they make a good smithing feature, I'm sure we'll be able to melt or shape dragonbone as well.

Andin reply to Darkstorne - when was woodcutting confirmed as a skill? Last I heard, they were cutting down (huhu) on skills, so I don't see any room for adding any.
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:41 pm

Hey guys, I've got a great idea! Lets be negative about every possible thing that makes this game, because of the mounds of information that had been given to us by a couple pictures and descriptions.

Better idea: stop basing irrational and negative hypotheses off of your irrational fears about this new game. Don't you think they haven't heard you all whine about this the first time?


you rather everyone be happy and delusional, and expect 100x more out of the game than is possible?

people have opinions of their own, even if they're negative... let them speak, for gods' sakes.

besides, as long as the discussions dont have anything to do with guns, its fine with me.
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:49 pm

I don't think every fight with Dragons will be with huge dragons, some will be. (Most likely will be MQ related) but others most likely will be smaller. Nor do I think every time you kill a dragon will get you a new Dragon shout, but just will power up the shouts you have. I don't think

I can see Dragons being Deathclaws with wings, but that still how will dragons ability to fly factor into the fight. Since it would be lame if they just stood on the ground or hovered above it, like a cliff racer.
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Post » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:13 am

Get it right, Dragons are the new Cliff Racers.

:lmao:
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:28 pm

Get it right, Dragons are the new Cliff Racers.

:lmao:


*Imagines a character being chased by dragons, screaming "Not a again, go away, go away!" while he runs.*
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Post » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:41 pm

just posted something simular. I sue don't hope they'll end up as new "oblivion gates"
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