Dragons defying physics?

Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:34 am

The AI for the dragons is probably controlled to attack you using the closest route towards you and probably got glitched up when turning. Also this is an early version of the game as there are still probably a few bugs with the game, but I'm sure by 11.11.11 it will be sorted.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:03 am

Guys and gals, this issue has came up a few times. All you need do is ask the lore:

Moraelyn asked with a smile, "All right then, I've always wanted to know this - considering the shape of your mouth and teeth, how do dragons manage to speak the humanoid languages so clearly?"
Akatosh paused, and then carefully responded, "Why, in much the same way that we can fly, even though our wings are not naturally strong enough to support such heavy torsos."


Source: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:King_Edward,_Part_XII
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:23 am

If you're up to date then you know that Dragons are unscripted, they choose what to do themselves. I don't think the dragons turns are a major problem with the animations, the dragon is just choosing to do the wrong thing. Dragons have the ability to make quick turns in order to dodge attacks, check out when the player uses firebreath. The problem is that the dragon is choosing to do a quick turn instead of a more rounded turn for it's fly by's. That with the distance makes it look "disgusting."
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:07 pm

If you're up to date then you know that Dragons are unscripted, they choose what to do themselves. I don't think the dragons turns are a major problem with the animations, the dragon is just choosing to do the wrong thing. Dragons have the ability to make quick turns in order to dodge attacks, check out when the player uses firebreath. The problem is that the dragon is choosing to do a quick turn instead of a more rounded turn for it's fly by's. That with the distance makes it look "disgusting."

ok they are unscripted, but how does it choose to suddenly become left without turning left, MAGIC!!! heeeellll no, ok they dodge, they do quick turned but they dont teleport 90 degrees to their left, and as some guy sated if they fly by magic why do they need wings, its logical, they dont fly by magic, their wings are strong enough to give them altitude, while using potential energy to maintain gliding like a glider while flapping their wings to gain even more speed, it doesnt really bother me how they dont flap their wings as often as it should be, but how is it even remotely nice in how it just stands heir in mid air, as if it was taking a break from flying.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:06 pm

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Three people, including myself, have already shown you that dragons fly by magic.
That this has always been so in TES, it is very old lore.
We have provided links to the relevant articles.

They do fly assisted by magical means, their wings are not strong enough to provide enough lift by themselves.
Like with a dragon being understood by a human, or a dragon breathing fire, this is all done by the dragon language. A magical language, that the player uses as dragon shouts.
I suppose it works much like levitation and personally I think its a good thing.
A creature of that mass moving naturally through the air would mean there were no aerial dragon battles at all, or perhaps only one.
An eagle like attack starting at a great height, with a tremendous end speed, then it picks you up and drops you on sharp rocks from a great height.
So for gameplay reasons and interesting battles its nice they can swoop and turn as they do, which they could not when moving naturally for a creature of their mass.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:24 pm

Three people, including myself, have already shown you that dragons fly by magic.
That this has always been so in TES, it is very old lore.
We have provided links to the relevant articles.

They do fly assisted by magical means, their wings are not strong enough to provide enough lift by themselves.
Like with a dragon being understood by a human, or a dragon breathing fire, this is all done by the dragon language. A magical language, that the player uses as dragon shouts.
I suppose it works much like levitation and personally I think its a good thing.
A creature of that mass moving naturally through the air would mean there were no aerial dragon battles at all, or perhaps only one.
An eagle like attack starting at a great height, with a tremendous end speed, then it picks you up and drops you on sharp rocks from a great height.
So for gameplay reasons and interesting battles its nice they can swoop and turn as they do, which they could not when moving naturally for a creature of their mass.


Did you ever think logically about the magic bit?
24/7 using magic to fly will drain there magicka unless they had infinite mana pots :P
and if they use magic, why do they fall when their hurt, remembering you only damaged their health not their magicka, so by what your saying if i use a drain magicka spell on a dragon it will crash? that simple? i really really reallllyyyy doubt it
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:07 pm

Did you ever think logically about the magic bit?


derp


24/7 using magic to fly will drain there magicka unless they had infinite mana pots :P


who says they fly 24/7? lol they're freaking dragons man, i would bet they would have enough magicka to fly for a long amount of time.

and if they use magic, why do they fall when their hurt, remembering you only damaged their health not their magicka, so by what your saying if i use a drain magicka spell on a dragon it will crash? that simple? i really really reallllyyyy doubt it


and even if they flew 24/7, not all magic effects come from your own magicka pool

think of how Khajiit use Night Eye, it costs 0 magicka.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:32 am

The dragon turned abruptly, so what? Dragons are apparently agile like birds instead of being slow and lumbering.

Is this really where we're choosing to stop suspending our disbelief?
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:40 am

I think that if dragons use magic to fly then any one would be able to fly (with magic) so I believe that they use magic to make their Wings work because their wings are to small to fly with. This is not fact just speculation.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:37 pm

Its an amazing site...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z9F6pVhR5o&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqgBE1i7EpY

Epic site
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:17 pm

bees defy the laws of nature as well

but they still fly although they shouldn't :shrug:


That's not true.
Until recently it was unexplained how bees could fly, but thanks to highspeed camera's some scientists could finally figure that out in 2006.

Their wings flap at a constant speed of 230 flaps/second and therefor it was a mystery how they could control their flight in the air.
Their secret is that they can adjust the angle of their wings to regulate the amount of air they push down.
Because the angular movement is very subtle and fast, scientist simply didn't had the equipment to see how they did it exactly, that's all.

Airbus now uses the same principle on the autopilot of their aircraft's, using an advanced neural network to take over control of the flaps, allowing the pilot to land in case the tail breaks off.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:54 am

The animation was quite clunky. It wouldnt be able to turn that steeply and the animation should be more fluid. Also a bit more wing clapping might be good unless theyre gliding. Generally the dragon animations were good though. Dragons are mythical and unrealistic beings but they should still follow the laws of physics that exist in their world which is Nirn and in Nirn gravity and such still apply.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:44 pm

Bah, it looks fine.

TY 4 the vid btw, going to watch every day now.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:46 am

From watching the part in the video you were talking about I can see what you are talking about. It was an awkward looking bank but have no worries. I'm pretty sure it just looked like that because there was a tree in its original path.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:29 pm

Its better then the the way dragons flew in Oblivion
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:13 pm

i remember the days when the only thing to complain about in the world of video games was that i had to sometimes blow into the cartridge to make it work.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:17 am

Those days never existed outside of your imagination, I’m afraid :|
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:51 pm

I dont care if they flap or not, in the vid they were flying, going straight, then out of nowhere they suddenly become left, they didnt go straight drift left , the went directly to left!!!!!

Haha I noticed too. People are making lore excuses for lazy animation. I hope it gets fixed.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:24 pm

To all of you talking about how fire breathing dragons are impossible, watch this whole thing, it will be worth it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UovE4fMNwiQ
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:11 pm

Dragons, unrealistic? No way!

:celebration:
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:26 pm

Did you ever think logically about the magic bit?
24/7 using magic to fly will drain there magicka unless they had infinite mana pots :P
and if they use magic, why do they fall when their hurt, remembering you only damaged their health not their magicka, so by what your saying if i use a drain magicka spell on a dragon it will crash? that simple? i really really reallllyyyy doubt it



Well said! That kinda kills the magic flying idea. I really dont care by what means they fly according to legend its just unnatural looking for it to suddenly jerk to one direction wile in motion SPECIALLY cuz of its size! A dragon should have the same flight characteristics as a large bird like an eagle for example! Not look like a humming bird or a dragon fly! :P
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:46 am

perhaps dragons use super levitation or telekinesis on themselves or both at the same time! and use their wings to make it even better. the player could use telekinis on objects and move them in any direction at anytime.

althoughts these seems are unlikely the point is its stupid to argue physics in a fictional fantasy game thats full of magic
after all peter pan can fly
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:57 am

Did you ever think logically about the magic bit?
24/7 using magic to fly will drain there magicka unless they had infinite mana pots
and if they use magic, why do they fall when their hurt, remembering you only damaged their health not their magicka, so by what your saying if i use a drain magicka spell on a dragon it will crash? that simple? i really really reallllyyyy doubP


maybe lots of damage ruins there concentration and makes them weak? or the pain makes them drift in and out of consciousness or makes them unable to use thier wings which could be either the sorce of their flying magics or that one last thing combined with magic that helps them fly, you need both magic and wings to fly not just one. just like a wizard needs an arm and magic to fire a flame ball. chop of their arm they cant fire the magic anymore? did u effect their magica? no.


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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:31 pm

bees defy the laws of nature as well

but they still fly although they shouldn't :shrug:

Actually they don't. Bumblebees rotate their wings on the upstroke, their torso is one large muscle and they use their legs to stabilise themselves. Don't believe me? Youtube and or google Richard Hammond's Invisible Worlds + bumblebee. It should come up.

This. Mythical flying beast that breathe fire do not have to follow the laws of physic here on earth.


Yes, they do. Because the issue isn't with a law of aerodynamics, it's with a law of conservation of momentum. Don't make a terrible excuse for something that is an animation problem.

Has anyone else noticed the VTOL dragon, in the long version of the fight next to Barrow Hill Cave (or something. First time we saw a dragon priest)
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:56 am

Well said! That kinda kills the magic flying idea. I really dont care by what means they fly according to legend its just unnatural looking for it to suddenly jerk to one direction wile in motion SPECIALLY cuz of its size! A dragon should have the same flight characteristics as a large bird like an eagle for example! Not look like a humming bird or a dragon fly! :P


What?
Such nonsense.

1. A dragon his wings are not strong or big enough to provide the lift required to get such mass airborne.
2. Dragons fly nonetheless.
3. Dragon language is a magical language. It is the very same language we use in dragon shouts.
4. Dragons fly using magic. Dragons talk to humans using magic. Dragons breathe fire using magic.

Very old lore. Not up for dispute.

The answer to this particular question now has been given over half a dozen times.
At this point only the obtuseness of the OP keeps this discussion meandering.
It is sort of not unlike trying to talk to someone who thinks the world is flat.
"This is a picture taken from orbit, see, its round."
'I dunno, looks kinda flat to me.'
Is about the level of the discussion.
To conclude: Accept it and move on.
Dragons fly by magic.
The end.
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