Dragons defying physics?

Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:42 pm

Yeah, I noticed that sudden jerk to the left that it made when it turned. Think mainly was just making a left turn to come back around for another attack. But I agree it was too sudden of a turn and lacked the true flight look! Not a game killer but something that would be nice if they fixed!

Good catch indeed though!
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cassy
 
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:48 pm

dude non realistic dragon how can you say that

take the chinese dragon its just like a giant snake with stumpy legs dragons head obv buy yet it flys with no wings ????? work that out lol

FYI dragons are not magic there 90% helium

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Amber Ably
 
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:59 am

sounds 2 me op doesnt go out very often
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Georgia Fullalove
 
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:03 am

They use levitation
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Petr Jordy Zugar
 
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:34 pm

sounds 2 me op doesnt go out very often


Keep your argumentum ad hominem to yourself! GTFO!
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oliver klosoff
 
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:08 am

I think its just a minor pathfinding issue. The plot point need to be given a curve I think rather than be a bee-line as the demo footage appears to depict.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:07 am

bees defy the laws of nature as well

but they still fly although they shouldn't :shrug:

Untrue. The ways bees fly is perfectly predictable according to the rules of non-fixed-wing flight.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:36 pm

It does look a bit unatural, but I don't really mind

They might also still be refining how it works too
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:32 pm

Dragons do not use their wings to fly. They use them when they are on the ground, by clapping them and sending their huge horde of coins and gems into the air.

It obscures vision.
A defensive posture.
Simple. Really.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:07 am

http://www.livescience.com/528-scientists-finally-figure-bees-fly.html

nice I stand corrected bee mystery solved :D

and dragons don't need to make sense really :P

Why the hell would you ever believe that an animal defies the laws of nature? By definition, this is impossible to do, as nature is all encompassing.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:54 pm

They fly by magic? ok sure if they controlled the wind thats under them, but then again why would they crash and land after you damage them? remembering you damaged their health not their magicka, and going to that point wouldnt using magic 24/7 flying make them tired? and wouldnt their magicka finish? unless they have infinite mana potions?
cmon people, maybe if you said they used magic to gain altitude and their wings to stay steady, but how does that explain them getting higher and higher, i think there wings is the reason they fly, if not why do they have wings? at all! obviously their wing muscles are strong enough to support their flying, but all n all we can blame this on bethesdas animation, couldnt we?
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:27 am

It's not a documentary
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:29 pm

NITPICK NITPCK NITPICK NITPICK NITPICK NITPICK. Seriously who cares? The dragons look good to me if you wana nitpick then please create your own animations and stop [censored]ing at how professionals do their job. Unbelievable some people.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:27 pm

Just wait till the game comes out, it could be a bug Bethesda's trying to fix. If not, you can deal with it.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:46 am

bees defy the laws of nature as well

but they still fly although they shouldn't :shrug:


Thats actually a misconception.
Its based on faulty math.
When you correct to include the updrafts flying bees generate under their wings, with the movement of their wings, the calculations make a lot more sense.

Its similar to that scientist who calculated that kangaroos couldnt jump. What he did was take the average weight of a kangaroo, the average jumps a day, and then calculated how much energy it would take to lift such a weight so many times.
The conclusion is far greater than the energy intake of a kangaroo, ergo kangaroos cant jump.
The faulty math is that it assumes a kangaroo behaves like a sack of potatoes. In actuality a kangaroo is bouncy, and a lot of the energy spent on making a jump is on the rebound stored in the muscles and used for the second jump, similar to a spring.

The moral is that when you do the math for these kinds of things you should never assume you are dealing with a static object, but always account for its behaviour as well.

Unfortunately, a lot of kids still get taught these kinds of things as 'real', proving both that a fallacy can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on and is more sticky.
If the opportunity ever arises Ill explain why schrodingers cat isnt really what most people think, as I do particularly enjoy this kind of teachery stuff.

Meanwhile on the dragons, as many people already said, they fly by magic.
I have watched the videos and it all seemed fine to me, though I suppose I wont really be able to judge it well untill I play the game myself.
We will see, for now I am not worried about that.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:44 am

Not very little thing can be perfect, OH NO THE TURNING ANIMATION FOR DRAGONS IS A BIT CHOPPY ITS THE END OF THE WORLD NOW. I doubt the animation will be at the top of your long list of things to worry about while playing skyrim like,oh I don't know, getting burnt alive by that dragon with the choppy turn animation.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:01 am

dragons use magic to fly the wings are just to steer and for show


Maybe in some settings, but unless you have a quote that explicitly says Elder Scrolls dragons do, then it is at best just a theory in the context of the Elder Scrolls.

Still, magic or no, I can live with it if the flight of dragons isn't 100% realistic, because that's really the kind of flaw I can easily overlook, it's not like I expect the game to be 100% flawless, I just want it to be as close as is reasonably possible for a game of this scale, and I'd say things like diagonal movement animations or animations for interacting with objects should take precedence over whether or not dragons fly completely accurately, because lack of these things, I think, looks a lot more awkward than dragons not banking properly when flying. In fact, as a whole I've been quite impressed with how the dragons looked and behave from what we've seen so far, sure, there were a few flaws here and there (But really, what got me is more the awkwardness with how the giant fell after having been lifted up by the dragon, which is more an issue with physics rather than the dragon's animations, and even if the falling physics are a bit off that doesn't change how impressive it was to actually see dragons grab creatures off the ground.) but we're talking about the company that made Morrowind and Oblivion here, I'm not exactly expecting the game to be without flaws in its animations.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:19 am

This. Mythical flying beast that breathe fire do not have to follow the laws of physic here on earth.


these dragons are on nirn, a world of magic and so many other things stranger than dragons, so... that makes physics even more of a joke!
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:13 am

The turn was a little too sharp, but nothing to get all worked up over. The Dragons in Skyrim still look better than any other non-scripted NPC I've ever seen.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:08 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MBqdME14I&feature=player_embedded this is a link some guy posted awhile ago for a 5 and a half min demo gameplay (nothing new) its just without commentary

while i was watching i noticed something really disgusting about how dragons fly, they sometimes don't flap their wings but that's nothing to complain about , check the video at 4:45 when the frost dragon drifts to the left.
Its highly unrealistic how its body just goes to the left without drifting, it just suddenly become left :S you guys will notice it.

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MBqdME14I&feature=player_embedded that link isnt workin, my bad check 4:45 ull understand

They don't flap their wings at some points because they are soaring. They get so high after flying that they can just soar instead of using power to flap their wings all the time.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:28 am

They don't flap their wings at some points because they are soaring. They get so high after flying that they can just soar instead of using power to flap their wings all the time.

He acknowledges that in the post you quoted... He's talking more about the turn that the Dragon does at 4:45, which is a little too sharp and doesn't look all that great, but it's a minor flaw that can be easily overlooked since most of the time the Dragon is in flight it looks amazing.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:51 pm

Maybe in some settings, but unless you have a quote that explicitly says Elder Scrolls dragons do, then it is at best just a theory in the context of the Elder Scrolls.


"Moraelyn asked with a smile, "All right then, I've always wanted to know this - considering the shape of your mouth and teeth, how do dragons manage to speak the humanoid languages so clearly?"

Akatosh paused, and then carefully responded, "Why, in much the same way that we can fly, even though our wings are not naturally strong enough to support such heavy torsos." '

Source: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:King_Edward, Daggerfall.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:59 am

Dragons don't follow any known laws of physics... In fact, they violate every law of physics dealing with mass and momentum, starting with the Square-Cubed law.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:29 pm

I am sure this is not the most unrealistic aspect of this game.
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Post » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:57 am

I saw someone say Dragons were full of helium... I'm actually starting to think it might be Hydrogen: Sure, they are massive creatures, but they are still almost as light as air because they are DRAGON ZEPLINS! Wings are for stability, not altitude control!
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