Dragons relationship to Daedra : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:59 pm

Am I wrong in saying that Dragons have the same perspective as the other natives of Nirn when it comes to relations with Daedra but with the obvious history and power that comes with being Dragons? Is their perspective any different when it comes to the subject of Daedra than those of Giants, Elves, Beast folk, etc?

Dragons would probably have an easier time dealing with dangerous Daedra but beyond that I can't see why their relationships with Daedra would be different.

Sort of wrong.
If I am right then the dragons in Skyrim are Ehlnofey, which a a gradiation above the mortal races.
Possibly you could say they view things in the way mythological High Men would, as opposed to just men.
They would know more, understand more and possibly be able to act more.
If it would make any difference, I dont think so.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:44 am

Not really their fault. The more powerful or bigger one is, the more closer to the aspect of everything they are.
The concept of everything is so normal that it isn't felt at all. So too are the most significant given less notice.

Then you also have to consider that a lot of npcs in Skyrim like to Joor Zah Frul Alduin's eternal aspect.
And most players ignore the fact that at the end of Skyrim, Dovahkiin does not absorb Alduin's soul, like they do with normal dragons.

Indicating if anything that he is not merely just a dragon.

im not much on the lore besides the ingame books, and ive yet to read not even half of them. But i did notice that with alduin at the end, and i have a question.

Did alduin rebell/split from akatosh hence why he started ruling insteadof eating the world and when we destroy him, does he go back to being part and complete with akatosh again? Like basically and u will have to forgive me because atm i cannot think of another example, but as in the "father" and the "7 deadly sins" in the fullmetal alchimst series? i know we did not destroy alduin, and i saw it like a daedra being finished and its aspect being sent back to its original realm or in this casem back to the being of akatosh?

Is the Main Quest in Skyrim in its core really just about us whipping and punishing an unruly child and sending him back home to mommy?

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:53 am

im not much on the lore besides the ingame books, and ive yet to read not even half of them. But i did notice that with alduin at the end, and i have a question.

Did alduin rebell/split from akatosh hence why he started ruling insteadof eating the world and when we destroy him, does he go back to being part and complete with akatosh again? Like basically and u will have to forgive me because atm i cannot think of another example, but as in the "father" and the "7 deadly sins" in the fullmetal alchimst series? i know we did not destroy alduin, and i saw it like a daedra being finished and its aspect being sent back to its original realm or in this casem back to the being of akatosh?

Is the Main Quest in Skyrim in its core really just about us whipping and punishing an unruly child and sending him back home to mommy?

-Generally, things that come from bigger things do not join up unto it once more or ascend to former greatness.
Exceptions being Vivec and Talos.

What you ask is a great big unknown. We do not know what Alduin's true purpose was or what really happened when we stopped him.
If his true purpose is to end the world one may assume he is stored in a sort of mystical larder until it is his time, or until he is transported there.
I believe Alduin absorbed mortal souls in Sovgarde to prevent subgradiation as an Ehlnofey into smaller and lesser forms. I think he saved his whole race like that.
An unstable form, prone to becoming more and lesser, taking mythical fuel in order to sustain its impossibility.

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:52 pm

im not much on the lore besides the ingame books, and ive yet to read not even half of them. But i did notice that with alduin at the end, and i have a question.

Did alduin rebell/split from akatosh hence why he started ruling insteadof eating the world and when we destroy him, does he go back to being part and complete with akatosh again? Like basically and u will have to forgive me because atm i cannot think of another example, but as in the "father" and the "7 deadly sins" in the fullmetal alchimst series? i know we did not destroy alduin, and i saw it like a daedra being finished and its aspect being sent back to its original realm or in this casem back to the being of akatosh?

Is the Main Quest in Skyrim in its core really just about us whipping and punishing an unruly child and sending him back home to mommy?

From what I can gather is that Alduin did his consumerism untill The Leaper Demon King (Mehrunes Dagon/Magnus) and the Greedy Man (Lorkhan/Sithis)
happened to stop the deity in one cycle. Most likely by garnering aid from his counterpart Akatosh to create the Ruptga walkabout (an alternative), in
that they hid pieces of the world from Alduin in what I speculate as The Elder Scrolls. One kalpa linking into another kalpa through warp holes of sorts.

Alduin probably thought the best way to do his job was to claim each kalpa as his own, gluing the many dragon breaks back together again in the process.
And churning the cut from Auri-El back into form, making things a little more easier to swallow. Thus jills could even be his multiple presence in this process.

However, in the end it would seem that his efforts in the Dovahkiin's kalpa would be of futility. Akatosh did to him what he did to Mehrunes Dagon.
A destruction of his physical avatar through an aedric neonymic in aetherius should have sent him to the ether of a prior kalpa or unto Akatosh.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:01 am

Mmmm so that is why dagon is the daedra of destruction. Does that mean his events in oblivion was basically to fulfill his part so the curse would be lifted? Or does he even view hos present circumstances as still a curse?

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:42 am

Remember that according to the Commentaries Mehrunes was created by the Magne Ge to help out Mundus. As well as preserving Kalpic leftovers, he killed all the Dreugh.