Ok what if you dont have that shout the dragon calls in.

dragon calls in thunderstorm in plains and all i have is fire shout what then? do i just give up there?

My guess is that Alduin or some of the Black Dragons that serve him will be able to use all 60+ variations of dragon shouts in the game (perhaps with the exception of the one that summons another dragon).

Talk about reloading saves LOL

Is that what people do now whenever they are challenged? Who says it will instant kill you? The answer is obvious, you power through it. Improvise, take shelter...you are small, the dragon is big. You exploit every advantage or weakness you can find. You can heal with items or magic, the dragon probably cant. They have already said dragons are supposed to drain you of your resources and be some of the greatest challenges in the game. I better be challenged.

The only shout dragons should not be able to use is the summoning shout, as its already stated that you summon a specific dragon by calling its name.

I think I'd prepare for disappointment.

If Oblivion is the direction they headed after Morrowind, then there will be even more hand-holding in Skyrim.

I'll still consider it one of the best games ever, but not because it's difficult. I hope I'm wrong, as I said before though, I'd rather be surprised than disappointed come release date.

No, you come up with another plan. Like waiting for it to come charging at you, then jump behind a huge boulder and wait for the SMACK sound.

Seriously, I'm sure there will be plenty of ways to bring those wyrms down.

Ok screw the storm, what happens with the slow down time call. what happens if a pack of dragons attack and all use powerful shouts Storm/Slowed time/(some other powerful one)

it's not a challenge unless your maxed out. my concern is with a lower level,fighting things that powerful at lvl 23 and below are suicide(Multiple dragons)

Hah in the open plains You wish.

It's highly unlikely that we will ever run into more than 2 dragons at a time. And even rarer still for both to be fighting us at the same time. In addition, all shouts have levels to them and we are not likely to fight high powered dragons from the get go, who is to say that a level 1 slow time shout will last longer than just a few seconds?

It's not that i dont want a challange but i dont want there to be overkill. and dragons with all shouts is a bit of over kill. (Remember the demo was on god mode and he still got hit hard)(From Flame breath)

Well in that case I make it eat my axe when the opportunity rises, which it will. Bethesda has yet to create an enemy I couldn't destroy, and I'm not counting on them succeeding this time. Gaenor, Umbra, Karrod, King Helseth, Hircine, the Imperfect, Vivec, Almalexia, Gedna Relvel, I could go on all day. They all bit the dust, and they weren't infinite creatures or a staple of the game, like the dragons are with Skyrim.

For the third time this topic: Bring it on.

If Bethesda Makes the Dragons overpowered like Tonal Architect is suggesting, the game will no longer be fun...in fact it will be unplayable


There has to be balance, you cannot be fighting an adversary who has too many tactical and combat advantages

• These Dragons are capable of airborne combat, the PC is not
  
• Dragons possess a huge Size advantage - at least 20 times in my estimation
  
• Dragons have a massive accumulation of HP compared to the PC
  
• Dragons have a massive strength advantage - lifting people and giants like toys

It is absolutely unreasonable to expect to battle these creatures without advantages of your own. I mean, it just does not make sense


I am with DTH on this one

He didn't have god mode. He just had 999 health. He also had probably low or mid level armor/weapons, and low skills for his level. He had only 20 or so in a skill, while being level 30 or some such.

It also won't be much fun if they go too far in the other direction, where dragons are handicapped at using their own freaking language compared to our super special player character who will command them to fall dead at our feet.

You say overpowered, I say... well, I'm not going to say it again.

And as for the "advantages"...



True. Sort of. We can still jump high, can we not? Are there's plenty of tall hills and cliffs and mountains in Skyrim, I'm sure. It'll be "falling with style", but still.



Even if all dragons are huge (which I doubt), so was Karstaag. So was the Imperfect. So was the Dwemer Sentinel a modder put together. Still slaughtered them.



So do werewolves, and any number of modded enemies I've built.



This I'm going to demand a source for.

And even if this is true, so what? Not always going to be able to grab me.



Sure we'll have some. I always find one.



It's also probable he svcks at the game. Is Todd Howard known for his prodigious playing skills? Not that I'm aware of.

from what i've seen, our powers seem like they'll be lesser dragon shouts... i mean, when the dovahkiin "breathes fire" on a giant in the demo, it... doesnt look like much.

seriously, watch the video that has no voice overs on it, it sounds like the dovahkiin literally just belches a little flame onto the giant.

dragon's firebreath? ...well, we've seen what that looks like... FWWWWOOOOOOOSSHHHH!!!!! :flamed:

i assume dragons will be just as capable of these powers as us, if not more so... instead of a lightning storm, maybe they just blast lightning from their mouth, or do something else?

i think most dragons will have just one ability, maybe? why else would there be "fire dragons" and "ice dragons", as todd mentioned in the demo.

maybe there'll be lightning dragons... something-or-other dragons, etc...

I really wish they did not go with the whole fire/ice dragon nonsense. If they do not vary in abilities, it will make it too easy to spot and prepare for them. I would have preferred they had very minor physical differences and just be referred as a "dragon" or have a random generated name. That way, we would not know what kind of shouts it would use until we attack it.

That would definitely be preferable.

Yes, well they could still redeem it at this point even with the name/type. They could just put fire shouts on some frost dragons, among other things and vice versa. I mean, it's not like they should be incapable of speaking a different set of words just because of their typing.

Don't they teach logic anymore? (see C.S. Lewis) When you watch the E3 gameplay Todd specifically says the 2nd dragon is a Frost dragon that slows you down when it breathes frost on you. The dragon before that breathed fire. Logic would indicate that different types of dragons use different types of shouts in combat. More powerful dragons would have a greater range, like frost and fire rather than just one or the other. Sorry if this was said earlier in the thread, but I must have missed it if it was. :tes:

The title of this thread is eerily similar to one of those strange things you used to challenge yourself to say without screwing up as a kid:

How many shouts could a dragon shout, if a dragon could shout shouts?

I wouldn't like that at all. We're going to be fighting lots of dragons, so I prefer them to vary physically as much as possible.

Dragons can't use their own language? What?

Yes we cant be on even grounds if dragons level up with us we need some advantage. and a dragon slowing down time/calling in lightning/having all shouts gives it too much of a advantage.

How ever the final boss having all the shouts gives a good challenge (if dragon). (once maximum lvl) (50)


(Yes i know you can go further)

What I meant is their appearance and coloration being more subtle but apparent to someone who is observant, instead of their appearance giving away right off the bat what kind of attacks it would use.

But that's the point, we do have an advantage. It's called being able to even use shouts at all, putting us higher than any random person out there. We, being players also have the advantage of being cheap and smarter than an AI usually. We shouldn't have a fake advantage created by handicapping them down. Besides, it's all the more satisfying to win with the odds stacked against you.