Indeed. An adventurer who stumbles across a dragon in the world and tries to open up a can of whoop-ass is likely to not even pull free their weapon before being annihilated.

and lets say, out of a hypothetical situation, you do find a dragon, and kill it. You would be hounded by the empire, and not even the thieves guild could safely buy your way out of this. Again, killing a dragon is just a step down from killing the actual emperor, it will do you absolutely no justice, unless your goal is to be forever marked an enemy of the empire and much much more groups of people. Dragons are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SACRED! Hell, elves will probably gut you alive too, not just men.

And again, Cyrus was already a fugitive of the law.

I understand these part alot. But many player not aware of the lores wanted to downgraded these dragons to just mere pathetic creature which they think they can hunt down and kill just because they are "bosses". That part angers me.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BoringInvincibleHero Not to mention that the dragon is being stuck in room kind of put the dragon in a disadvantage situation.

Question: Does anyone know how many dragons are in Tamriel?
I know there is only one in Akavir, the tiger-people leader, but before the Tscaeci killed all of the other dragons there, there was a decent number. Not like 5000, not one or two hundred. Are dragons still in those numbers in Tamriel? Or are there a handful of them?

No one knows, there are still some, but how they have concealed themselves is a mystery. If it is true that they can take human form, then there could be many, but I think it unlikely. I doubt there is more than 10 and possibly only 3-4.

yes there should be dragons. there should be multiple dragons for a vast world. some good and some evil. perhaps an order of the dragon knights to serve good dragons aS they attempt to teach and guide mankind? perhaps one could do quests for certain dragons and earn something from the treasure hoard? likewise choosing to kill a dragon of your opposite alignment would be extremely difficult but extremly rewarding with a huge treasure hoard. also earn you faction points and reputation? some dragons could choose to join mans army in battles and work together for the good of humanity , the dragons would get armor and have riders?

I personally think that the idea of good, benevolent, "nice" dragons that people can ride on have be overdone in mordern fantasy literature within the last 20 years or so. More so than evil dragons terrorizing the countryside or eating princesses or giving heroes a real run for their money. Just saying.

The most boring, bland and cliche'd of examples.

No.

And that what we called cliche'd. The Elder Scroll have the tendency NOT to follow other fantasy and tries to create their own standards. Those dragon in Tamriel are not good or evil, but most serve the Empire as last resort in their arsenal. They are not Eragon wannabes or creature ya can fly on, they are force to respected. The Killing those dragon is as all most as bad as killing the emperor himself. Hell, it is near impossible to EVEN kill one hand to hand and requires ALOT of help. Even then, as the post from ThatOneGuy mention, killing a dragon takes DAYS to it to be dead, granted if the warriors are still alive at that point.

1.) So cliche'd and generic
2.) Completely contradicting TES lore
3.) Dragons would [censored] you if you ever tried to ride one.

at first I thought it might be a good idea, but after reading the posts that state the lore, I changed my mind.
UNLESS there is one, and only one, that also survived and remained a secret, and if you find it and kill it you win.... nothing... Jk, instead of having to kill it, it could be involved with the story

The Jills of Akatosh are presumably draconic in appearance, and numerous. They don't sit around hoarding treasure in caves, though. D&D style dragons used to be part of the setting, but really aren't anymore since the series started to differentiate itself from generic fantasy with Redguard and Morrowind. However, you can bet we will go on dragon hunts in TESV if they think it will sell more boxes.

Sadly yes, they already said "screw it" to so many points in their own lore why not kick that and fully convert to generic lord of the rings wannabe DnD slave fantasy

Okay
But if your hero can take down a Daedric Prince - Jyggalag, who I would say is far more powerful than a dragon, why would he not stand a chance against these?
-Not having a dig, just curious.

Good question, and I imagine there could be a few possible answers.
1) In SI, your character is already deep into the process of mantling a Daedric Prince, Sheogorath. Meaning that it is likely now closer within the character's power to defeat Jyggalag.
2) It's likely that the form of Jyggalag the player fights in SI is only an "aspect" of Jyggalag, rather like how you only fight an "aspect" of Hircine in the Bloodmoon expansion. This is possibly reinforced by the game-mechanic of Jyggalag's level being dependent upon your own via leveled-lists. The idea of a Jyggalag "aspect" is also reinforced by the fact that you cannot complete the SI MQ first, then go and complete the vanilla-OB MQ and single-handedly defeat Mehrunes Dagon yourself, with your new title of Madgod. You're still unable to defeat a full-on Daedric prince.

The CoC was Sheogorath. And for my proof, the daedric prince is the very land you walk on. Since the realm remained just like when you entered, after you defeat Jyggy, you achieved apotheosis into Sheogorath by using a method call "mantling". With "mantling" the phrase goes, you walk like them till they walk like you. In other words, since you acted like Sheogorath, walked like Sheogorath, talked like Sheogorath, you must be Sheogorath. This is also like how Tiber Septim ascended to Talos

And what ThatOneGuy said

well like i said before , i didnt have the privelage of playing all and every version and game in the series of elder scrolls , only oblivion so far , so i dont know every single word of lore through the game. im throwing out ideas here in an effort to help improve the next game. if you donjt like the ideas that ok i dont expect everytone to like them. just trying to help here. and ive al,so said that the dragons didnt have to be evil tho its an option to maybe have a rogue dragon running around messing with things. but for the most part dragons could remain good and helpers of humanoid races in the game if they chose to include them. personally i do agree they may be a bit cliche by now but that doesnt make it any less fun for those who love them or any less a part of a good storyline , assuming the storyline involving them was good. i think the key to makin it work is not only not contradicting whatever thier past lore to date says but to have excellent writers and animators working together to make it believable and make sense for the game as well a new and unique idea for the sotry that puts a twist on things and captivates the player , immersing them and drawing them in. if they "did it right" i think you may be surprised just how interesting the cliche dragon idea could be.

Yeah I guess you'r eright, Hellmouth.
But I still think the fact remains that the hero you play as in the TES's is extremely powerful. I mean, look at Oblivion. Your hero more or less defeated Mehrunes Dagon single-handedly, and going through all the Oblivion gates.
But yeah, scrap the idea of dragon-slaying quests. Keep them away from the game and just in the lore - adds to the mystery, just like the Dwemer.

There is no "good" dragon. And they know better then to go "rouge" as they would be expose to unnecessary conflict. Oh, and they are are highly intelligence being, just to throw that out as well. And in respect, they only deal with the Empire and no one else, as the Empire agree to shelter them if the dragons agree to aid them in war.


Correction. Martin was the one who defeated Dagon and taken the credit as "hero". The PC Hero is nothing more then just a delivery boy throughout the whole game.

And he's a slave-driving mentally unstable "hero" to boot.
ME: "Hey, we lost the Amulet, but here's the Mysterium Xarxes."
MARTIN: Holy sweet mother of [censored] Akatosh-be-damned sload-nuggets!!! This book is EVIL and DANGEROUS to even HANDLE! Now let me read it."
ME: Uhhhhhh...... Okay... Don't hurt me... :cold:
MARTIN: "Good. Now go do 100-or-so dungeon crawls for me, collect a giant shopping list of mythic crap, and then beat up this Camoran loser so I can take all the credit. Thanks. And hurry it along, will 'ya?"

Like in Redguard. The dragon was used as the last line of offense. The Redguards were being a huge thorn on Tiber's side, so they released that dragon to give them an easy victory. In addition, it also protected some really powerful soulgem, in a very cramped space. To beat it, Cyrus pretty much had to get his sword all toasty from dragon fire. But, then again, Cyrus is a huge exception. Also, in Battlespire, the dragon, although ended up being killed by hoards of daedra, did serve to help the battlemages in training, and protected them from the daedra as best as it could. Also, dragons do speak very eloquent, and are very loyal to the empire.

Exactly. If the PC tried to fight Mehrunes Dagon, in game, you would get squished by problem. Heck, you cannot kill Mehrunes Dagon at all. And still, the Mehrunes you saw is only his avatar, abet a really big and powerful one. The real Mehrunes is some floating planet somewhere in Oblivion.

If mehrunes was a avatar i wouldnt want to piss off the real one :blink:

Yeah, no Broadsword of the Moonreiver, protonymic, neonymic, etc. on hand in Oblivion.

Agreed. TES dragons are not cliche D&D dragons. :stare:



No. See above.