The GI issue says "...dragons have never been a part of the gameplay. That's because the fiction was clear on the point that dragons were banished from the world thousands of years ago"

Bethesda could you tell us if this is entirely correct, and/or explain why there was the dragon Nafaalilargus in Redguard that Cyrus fought, and the dragon mentioned in the Morrowind book http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Starlover%27s_Log. Also a dragon was mentioned in the Daggerfall book s King Edward, Part XI and King Edward, Part XII although they may be fictional. Does not seem clear to me.

? I though the Dragons were bound in service to the dragon bloodline that Akatosh gifted to the mortals.

yeah thats a bit puzzling.. although I believe there was some mention of "greater and lesser" dragons, so maybe the "greater" ones were banished?

They'll explain it in the game.

It could be the 2nd Book's plot or it could be what Martin Septim did when he became the Avatar of Akatosh to destroy Dagon.

the only trouble with that is that the book takes place after oblivion, and skyrim is 200 years after oblivion (or so I believe), so that's not really "thousands of years." I guess there's a retcon somewhere.

Good catch. The first pocket guild mentions lots of dragons, and that was 650 some years before Skyrim.

Weren't there baby dragons as enemies in Daggerfall?

I think it would be fine if they just disregard the lore entirely rather than half-ass it
I mean, I'd much rather they'd stay as close to the lore as possible and keep it strict, but I would be fine if they just made the game without worrying about the lore instead of the lore ruining what would have been a great game because of restrictions as to what could be put in.

It's because of...... um ............. er............. Magic, the failsafe lore excuse

Unless it was stated by Todd or another Beth employee, I'm thinking it's a mistake on GI's behalf, they don't strike me as lore buffs personally.

No, I don't know where everyone got this information because that was not part of the pact. The gift Akatosh gave the septim line was the Amulet of Kings that would seal Oblivion as long as they lived. This was so that the Imperials could ensure the Ayleid's utter defeat as the Ayleid's were extremely powerful in magic and also had pacts with the Daedric princes so they had innumerable, vast armies of Daedra at their command. This pact took away the Ayleid's vast armies and left them to fend for themselves against the other races of Tamriel whom they enslaved. As for dragons being banished from the world thousands of years ago, banish is just another word for defeated or killed. Everyone thought that dragons were extinct. The dragon Cyrus was possibly the last dragon known to exist upon the face of Tamriel until now.

Yeah dragons helped fight wars and were sacred to the empire so i'm not sure where the whole banishment came from..

I feel as though because they should follow Alduin (Akatosh) it's quite different than other dragons. And, with the events of the bloodline and all that I am sure we will know in November.

Uhmmm ... Sacred to the septim bloodline? Since when?

Dragons were wise creatures that were respected by the Mer, and then the Nords came and were all like "LOL WHATS THAT? LETS KILL IT!"

My impression is that it's a mistake made for the sake of "sounding cool".
"Dragons were banished from the land thousands of years ago!" is just such a "lol so kewl", cliche line.

im more interested in where they came from, who created them? daedra, nine divines, doubt they did though,

Do you have a source for that? Otherwise it would be best to assume someone made that up. There are a lot of theories or self justifications for Elder Scrolls lore floating around the internet like that. Sorry just a pet peeve of mine when things are assumed corretn when they aren't a first hand source.



Yes I found that too when searching. They were "dragonlings' and are mentioned at the very top of this page. http://www.uesp.net/dagger/dfdragon.shtml

It says on that page "Bethesda eventually stated that there are no real dragons in the game (unofficially that is)".

I'm not sure where/when/if they said that though. Perhaps Bethesda started their stance of no dragons when they said that?

Not in TES. It's actually CHIM

That's because that isn't true. The pact between Akatosh and the septim line had nothing to do with enslaving dragons to the empire. The only time that dragons have helped the empire in the past was for mutual survival. They weren't slaves to the empire at all and now that we know the septim's were dragon hunters, dragons couldn't possibly be part of the empire after the rule of Tiber Septim.

Besides I've never seen Bethesda mess up the lore or contradict themselves. They always have an explanation and weave it in with new lore as it is added to the TES universe.

Your over thinking it dude. :rolleyes:

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Amulet_of_Kings

I have a feeling it was a mistake on GI's part. At least I hope so...

Bethesda please don't pull a CHI-Metachlorian :sadvaultboy:

That doesn't mention anything about dragon enslavement.

I know, I think I just heard it somewhere and somewhere in my mind the file got put in the wrong section, probably something to do with Akavir.

Anywho, this still doesn't make sense. Wasn't there a dragon in the Empire Army in Redguard?