Dreams of the Fire
Discussion


This is a support Discussion thread that the writers in the main thread can use to discuss plot line, character development, and other things pertaining to the main thread.

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Preface

Times are hard in Skyrim, the Empire is on the verge of collapse and is at war with a rebellion against the Stormcloaks. Rumors of Dragons are beginning to spread through out the land, but for the moment it is just thought to be gossip. A loan girl with a disrupted memory of her past wanders to Riften looking for a new life. Little does she know her destiny lays before her. She will gain help from a shadow agent of death, a warrior seeking his path, and a elder agent of a defeated land. What lies ahead for them only the Divine know.

Thanks for making the thread Charon! Hopefully, this'll make the thread run a little smoother.
Perhaps you should put a little summary of the story so far in the description to clue new people in more?

YAY, it was made!

Okay, so, let's get down to business.

right... so besides the threat of Alduin and his jills, who is the fiend that pulls strings behind the curtain? i was thinking maybe Mannimarco... he could of resurfaced as a being somewhere between CHIM and Daedra and wants vengeance upon Maximilian and those he influences and directs. If so i would want him to be the being in black Charon saw at the beginning.

Yeah, I was thinking that the figure in black would be the one behind it all, but I'm not so sure he should be Mannimarco. Mannimarco tends to leave fear and destruction in his wake, while the dark one described in the thread seemed more like a being that was both there and not there. Therefore, I reckon that whatever the shadow is, it's either some sort of forgotten being that is still technically alive but is merely an echo of time or a being of such balance that it both exists and does not exist at the same time. I'm not really a huge lore buff, so I don't really know who would be appropriate for such a field.
Still, I suppose Mannimarco could work...it just seems a little in conflict with his previous appearances in the series.

Personally, I think that the man in black should be http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDragon and Mannimarco would make a good http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad.

Since decided one of the characters would betray the group, we need to decide on that. Any volunteers except Charon since he's kind of done that schtick already?

that is true..... but then again we saw a change in Maximilian when he assended to something more.... maybe something happened to Mannimarco in the same respects.... maybe the fear and destruction is yet to come... the first faze would have been the awakening of Alduin... which at the moment dragons are just thought to be idle gossip..... the storm on the horizon so to speak.

I see your point. However, I would like for the 'Big Bad' to be someone a little more ambiguous. I mean, Mannimarco is pretty much generically evil, much like Sithis, and this time I'd like someone a little more gray. Maybe Mannimarco could be The Dragon and someone else could be the Big Bad?
Also, I volunteer Faire for the betrayer, since the prediction was that the betrayal may be accidental, and Faire is the only one in the group who is young and naive to fall for those kind of tricks.

you make a good point.... it would be nice to have a bad guy that isnt chaotic evil.... in the grey or twisted enough to bring evil to the world but has a good perspective of it.... only thing is, is that kind of character can be hard to make convincing... but it would be interesting to attempt to pull off.

i also agree that Faire would be a good candidate for the betrayal.... maybe she could be led to believe that Amiel would betray them all.... her dreams and visions could be at times true... but they could also begin to be manipulated by the true bad guy to make her do his bidding.

Interesting to pull off indeed. I'm still not sure who it would be, but I'm leaning towards a god that is no longer worshipped.

Faire's visions could be quite a useful tool, really. She gets them naturally, but she also gets visions from the item she was given. I think that the visions shouldn't really be helpful/unhelpful but more obscure\clear. Sometimes the obscure ones mean something you never quite expected, or have a double meaning. That would be quite the mean trick to pull.

didnt see this post

I like that idea a lot... if we decide it is Mannimarco that is..... or as Soul was saying a no longer worshiped god.... Talos any one?... only thing with that is i dont know if that matches his character... maybe he has become corrupted?






thats kind of what i was thinking.... remember though the item.... i guess it would be a pendant more than an amulet.... denigrated in Amiel's hand... unless it re-materializes in Faire's hand right after.

Maybe VEHK didn't just disappear after the Nerevarine Crisis. What if something happened to him? Honestly, going insane and trying to destroy the world just seems right up the alley of an insane ancient false god who has lost everything he cared for.

It's not the item that's important, it's the effects of it. Even though it has disintegrated, that doesn't mean that it has stopped existing. It's somehow got into Faire's head and it isn't planning on leaving any time soon.

As for Vehk, while he is a possibility, I was thinking more along the lines of Almalexia. Sure, the fate of Vehk is more ambigous, but Almalexia has more of a motive to be back. She really did not like her divinity taken from her, not one bit.

ah yes, but Almalexia and Sotha Sil are both accounted for. Vehk isn't.

I didnt get to far into Morrowinds MQ who is Vehk?... i only know of Vevic

Ooooh... That sounds good. I like that idea.

EDIT: Nvm, looked it up on UESP. Its another name for Vivec

It is Vivec, sorry, I am so used to roleplaying a Dunmer in my games that I forgot the real name of Vivec. I would hunt down the dark elves who showed that they were not loyal to the religion for not saying Almsivi, but the tribunal.,, or saying Vivec, instead of the Dunmeric pronunciation Vehk.

ah.... well in that case, that is a good idea..... Vivec would make a good Big Bad..... Having a crazed cult following to back him up and bring a second coming of his power could be his cause too.

Plus a conflict for Belan, who has a... special connection to him. I won't say more, it is my big surprise for him, but if you know your Elder Scrolls history, you may be able to hazard a guess.

alright well i vote for Vivec then... sounds like it could have what we are looking for... didnt he have that "what i'm doing is good for the world even if it destroys it" ideology about him?

Well, no. It is that he is omnipotent, but not omniscient. He can't see the possible outcomes of his actions, like defeating Dagoth Ur leading to the destruction of Vvardenfall.

ok i get that. but was it in his character to believe that what he was doing was good for the world? unlike a true evil that knows what they are doing is bad for it.

so... if we all vote that Vivec is the "Big Bad"... then who is the "Dragon".... aka the being in black?

Exactly, the best enemy is one who thinks he is good.

I think that the "Dragon" could be the Shadowscale hunting Belan. They are renowned and deadly warriors, and can fight many times their own number of enemies. Definately a physical challenge. If not him, then perhaps, Quirinus could be the Dragon. It would make sense, as he would want to work with Vivec, as forgiveness for his fighting against him in the Nerevarine Crisis.

I vote for Vivec/Vehk as the Big Bad too, but I still think that Mannimarco should be the Dragon. A shadowscale would present quite the physical challenge, but he is only a well trained Argonian.
Quirinus being the Dragon would be quite interesting, if difficult to pull off. The RP guide says to avoid PC v.s PC combat, and while I know that we don't usually follow those rules, I'm just wondering that if we fought Quirinus then he might go all God Mode on us. Thoughts?

i dont think a shadowscale could go throught the snow and not disturb it.... what ever the creature was i wrote it to be not of this world.... Mannimarco would probably better fit that... but why would he follow Vivec?