Dreamsleeve communication- how does it work?

Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:00 am

I mean, like, really. Is it telepathy? Does the sender and the recipient just stare at crystal balls or tea leaves until messages appear? Is it as simple as teleporting a letter? Does the sender summon a ghost to pass along a message?

I'm at a loss here. How do people communicate through the Dreamsleeve?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:48 am

By meditation, iirc. So one clues into the right "frequency" and hears/sees these things in their head.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:51 am

By meditation, iirc. So one clues into the right "frequency" and hears/sees these things in their head.

I see. But do both people have to meditate? What if the other person wasn't expecting it?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:40 am

It requires keeping one part of your brain meditating at all times.

And a monthly fee.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:15 am

I wonder if that Psijic character in Skyrim's College quest was communicating to you through the dreamsleeve. Like an instant memory, explaining why time stopped (unless they have the ability to so easily mess around with Aka, it's difficult for me to explain why they could manipulate time to such a degree; only gods/dragons/dragonborn have been mentioned as having the ability to slow/stop time around them). All those whispy particles: memospores.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:59 pm

I wonder if that Psijic character in Skyrim's College quest was communicating to you through the dreamsleeve. Like an instant memory, explaining why time stopped (unless they have the ability to so easily mess around with Aka, it's difficult for me to explain why they could manipulate time to such a degree; only gods/dragons/dragonborn have been mentioned as having the ability to slow/stop time around them). All those whispy particles: memospores.

Sounds possible. What the Psijics do is apparently similar to the Dwemer's Calling power. I wonder if they're all the same thing, or at least related?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:36 am

I wonder if that Psijic character in Skyrim's College quest was communicating to you through the dreamsleeve. Like an instant memory, explaining why time stopped (unless they have the ability to so easily mess around with Aka, it's difficult for me to explain why they could manipulate time to such a degree; only gods/dragons/dragonborn have been mentioned as having the ability to slow/stop time around them). All those whispy particles: memospores.
Another possibility for the time stoppage is that time wasn't stopped at all, everyone else was just paralyzed. Though I like the idea of a recording (memory) with instant playback.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:53 am

only gods/dragons/dragonborn have been mentioned as having the ability to slow/stop time around them).
The dragonborn uses shouts and they are a form of magic. What can be done with a shout can be done with hands or a staff. Bending time is not unique to the divine or dragons.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:55 pm

I was going to make a thread about some things, but this is as good a platform as any.

Why spores? Does fungus grow in Aetherius? Ferns maybe? Memospores store memories or act like messages, yes? Are memospores mitotic or meiotic, capable of sporogenesis? And what is the difference between memospore transmission and dreamsleeve transmission?

Why moths, and what are moths? Are all moths spiritual vessels in TES or just certain kinds of them? According to Pension of the Ancestor Moths, the Ancestor Moths are reincarnations of ancestors who spin memories into silk. On multiple occasions, silk, moths, and spores have been mentioned together as forms of data media and storage. Furthermore the moth is a recurring motif in certain Cyrodiilic circles such as the Elder Council and the Legion. To that extent, why moths? The moth is even given mention in The Song of Pelinal, being connected to Shor. So is there something special about the moth when partnered with Cyrodiil? As if moths hold a special affinity for the Empire acting as some form of Cyrodiilic animas. Is this the dreamsleeve connection, then? That Cyrodiilic souls are spared the dreamsleeve memory spin cycle and are instead reborn as moths, ready to be cared for by blind monks who weave memory garments? I like the idea very much, but it begs the question of how and when this began to occur. The Cyrodiils are the result of a racial melting pot, are they not?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:32 am

The dragonborn uses shots and they are a form of magic. What can be done with a shout can be done with hands or a staff. Bending time is not unique to the divine or dragons.
Do we know this? Can you be sure that everything a shout can do can also be done with magic? Or for that matter, that every shout a dragonborn can do can also be done by a non-dragonborn?

Dragons have a special connection to time, thus their ability to manipulate it, and a dragonborn is effectively a dragon in a human body. Beyond that, messing with time requires messing with a god, so can mortals do that without some divine connection?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:09 am

I am probably wrong about this but!
I believe that Magic is a byproduct of Lorkan's introduction of instability when Mundus was being created. When trying to separate himself from everything he left part of his divinity behind, which is manifested as magic.
If it weren't for that, no magic. Just like the real world.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:46 pm

I am probably wrong about this but!
I believe that Magic is a byproduct of Lorkan's introduction of instability when Mundus was being created. When trying to separate himself from everything he left part of his divinity behind, which is manifested as magic.
If it weren't for that, no magic. Just like the real world.

Magic exist because Magnus, the architect of Mundus decided to remove himself from creation at the last minute, his escape ripped a giant hole in the sky (the sun) from which magic slips into Mundus
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:15 pm

AHH.
Then yes, I was wrong.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:46 am

I am probably wrong about this but!
I believe that Magic is a byproduct of Lorkan's introduction of instability when Mundus was being created. When trying to separate himself from everything he left part of his divinity behind, which is manifested as magic.
If it weren't for that, no magic. Just like the real world.
AFAIK, magic is from Aetherius (which is outside Mundus and even Oblivion) and "leaks" in through the holes that Magnus and the other et'Ada created (the sun and stars) when they fled creation before the Convention. I don't think there's any direct connection with Lorkhan.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:03 pm

Another possibility for the time stoppage is that time wasn't stopped at all, everyone else was just paralyzed. Though I like the idea of a recording (memory) with instant playback.

Paralyzation doesn't explain why no one knew anything was going on. Once the communication ended, they didn't have a feeling of lost time or that anything was amiss. That old mage who takes you to the ruin feels a slight disturbance but is otherwise clueless.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:48 am

Sounds possible. What the Psijics do is apparently similar to the Dwemer's Calling power. I wonder if they're all the same thing, or at least related?

The 'calling' of the Dwemer is most likely radio technology.
This can be inferred from the Dwemer coherers that were found all over Morrowind.
A coherer is a piece of technology solely used for radio transmissions.

At least, this is how I always assumed things.

I see dreamsleeve communication as a sort of internet, only more dangerous to use.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:57 pm

[censored] Dreamsleeve, how does it work?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:31 am

[Moth stuff]
I like the idea very much, but it begs the question of how and when this began to occur. The Cyrodiils are the result of a racial melting pot, are they not?

The first era? That sort of thing looks as nibenese as you can get outside the Imperial City, possibly more so these days. What do you think a 'fjyron' is? Is it the whole spirit or part of it? Being a moth or shawl might be preferable to losing your ego. And what's all this about spores? Some sort of Hist/Telvanni (or better yet, Hist-Telvanni) trick?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:38 am

The 'calling' of the Dwemer is most likely radio technology.
This can be inferred from the Dwemer coherers that were found all over Morrowind.
A coherer is a piece of technology solely used for radio transmissions.

At least, this is how I always assumed things.

I see dreamsleeve communication as a sort of internet, only more dangerous to use.

You know, I never had any idea what coherers were. Thanks for clearing that up! :D
I wonder if they had something to do with Coo in the Infernal City?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 11:27 am

You know, I never had any idea what coherers were. Thanks for clearing that up! :biggrin:
I wonder if they had something to do with Coo in the Infernal City?

I have not read the books, only summaries, alas.
Its a bit hard to find when bookstores wont stock em and youre too old fashioned to ever have ordered anything off the internet.
Maybe one day Ill pluck up the courage and get a debit card and figure out amazon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer :smile: As you see, the function of the device is to pick up radio signals by modulation.
Similar to how a cell phone would do nothing in the 1950's without signal towers everywhere, coherers simply do nothing (intelligable) without the supporting technology infrastructure.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 11:57 am

I have not read the books, only summaries, alas.
Its a bit hard to find when bookstores wont stock em and youre too old fashioned to ever have ordered anything off the internet.
Maybe one day Ill pluck up the courage and get a debit card and figure out amazon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer :smile: As you see, the function of the device is to pick up radio signals by modulation.
Similar to how a cell phone would do nothing in the 1950's without signal towers everywhere, coherers simply do nothing (intelligable) without the supporting technology infrastructure.

Coo was basically a Dwemer-made webcam (a Dwarven animunculus that looked like a little bird) that Prince Attrebus and Annaig used to communicate with one another.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:06 pm

The first era? That sort of thing looks as nibenese as you can get outside the Imperial City, possibly more so these days. What do you think a 'fjyron' is? Is it the whole spirit or part of it? Being a moth or shawl might be preferable to losing your ego. And what's all this about spores? Some sort of Hist/Telvanni (or better yet, Hist-Telvanni) trick?

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/dominion-prism-textract - units of dreamsleeve communication. See http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept for an example. By these texts, it seems that dreamsleeve communication is performed by recording thoughts or memories to a 'memospore', which are then stored in the dreamsleeve for access by others with the know how. See the following quote:

'(A.) any draconated Tower Scroll(s) or Dreamsleeve-stored Memospore — including writings, drawings, eyegraphs, charts, inscriptions, echopages, images, and other chronocule or chronocule compilations — stored in any medium from which Memospore can be obtained either directly or, if necessary...'

'Before I proceed, let it be known that I abide by the Council's wish to move the quadragraph further along. I rescind memo-spore lessonate sendings IV-IX from the dreamsleeve. They are become un-present at this session.' - Nu-Mantia

As shown above, memospores also seem to be a somewhat enduring form of record. Not long, likely, considering that the dreamsleeve is designed to degrade, but longer than instantaneous communication. Really, I think this functions a lot like email, and I'm pretty sure that was MK's intent.

I have not read the books, only summaries, alas.
Its a bit hard to find when bookstores wont stock em and youre too old fashioned to ever have ordered anything off the internet.
Maybe one day Ill pluck up the courage and get a debit card and figure out amazon.

The summaries are of higher quality than the original text(s)*. Honestly, all you need are Lady N's http://www.imperial-library.info/content/infernal-city-lore-notes http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-souls-lore-notes.

*Parenthetic because I have read the Infernal City but not Lord of Souls. I can't see the second one improving much over the first, though.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:25 am

Coo was basically a Dwemer-made webcam (a Dwarven animunculus that looked like a little bird) that Prince Attrebus and Annaig used to communicate with one another.
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Thanks guys :smile:
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:33 am

[censored] Dreamsleeve, how does it work?
It's all [censored] miracles.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:18 am

I don't wanna talk to no Psijic-monk/
them folks always tell half-truths and I feel it's all bunk
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