A thought. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon strongly implies that the Leaper Devil King was Magnus AND Mehrunes Dagon, and that they're essentially the same guy. With that in mind... what about the Magna Ge?

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/battlespire-spirit-daedra says "Dremora have long served Dagon... But not always so."

So, what if this doesn't necessarily mean that the Dremora had a different master (or no master at all), but rather that they've always served Dagon, but they also happened to serve him before he became Dagon?

It's also possible that they have a similar function as the Jills of Akatosh (preservers) and Alduin's dragons (destroyers), in that, when their master switches personalities, so do they.

So, am I onto something, or am I just talking crazy talk?

It makes sense to me.

I do not think this is true.

Why not? It seems to be a logical conclusion from reading the text.

Because he used to be a "Leaper Demon King"? I see nothing in the text that comes close to suggesting that, and I do not believe Michael Kirkbride has ever conceived of Dagon and Magnus that way.

The god of sorcery, Magnus withdrew from the creation of the world at the last second, though it cost him dearly. What is left of him on the world is felt and controlled by mortals as magic. One story says that, while the idea was thought up by Lorkhan, it was Magnus who created the schematics and diagrams needed to construct the mortal plane. He is sometimes represented by an astrolabe, a telescope, or, more commonly, a staff. Cyrodilic legends say he can inhabit the bodies of powerful magicians and lend them his power. Associated with Zurin Arctus, the Underking.


He cannot be Alduin. He can't be Trinimac. He isn't Kynareth. What other Dawn figure would he be? The Greedy Man's co-conspirator is the Leaper; their project is a world too big to eat. When Leaper is before the eye of Alduin, Leaper reveals the plot at the last moment. Greedy Man hides, and Leaper is eaten, gone from the world outside. He's in fact left through Alduin's mouth. This is Magnus' departure, only from the Ysgrimskalds' account of things. Within his belly, the Leaper becomes Dagon; Magnus becomes Dagon.

What other Dawn figure would he be? He would be Mehrunes Dagon.

Magnus is much more interesting than this.

After Magnus changed, yes.


I agree, which is one reason why I'm thankful Kirkbride isn't dead.

Can we search backup for this from imperial pantheons? I find two suitable canditates from Nine Divines, Kynareth and Mara. Both seems to have bit same background as Magus. Kynareth seems to be more suitable canditate as he was there to invent Mundus with Lorkhan. What we know of his background? There's no Divine for magic in Imperial religion as far as i can tell. Dagoth being Magnus might be solely Nordic thing, but one could think that such event doesn't leave other religions untouched either. Nine Divines in the first place being synthesis of both Nordic and Altmer.

One example pops into mind aswell: Magnus = Dagoth. Zurin = Magnus. Zurin the Underking = Dagoth.

However what are the effects if this is solely a Nordic thing? By this i mean that to Altmer and Breton, maybe others as well, Magnus isn't Dagoth. Does it have anykind effect into anything concrete things? Ofcourse both races are associated strongly to magic, unlike Nords. But more?

Out of curiosity one thing more: what you guys think. Is this new developement in lore or has this been in for longer time inside developers' minds? There seems to be fitting holes in background so that this would seem a long term plan. And then again there are enough holes to fit just about anything there. Doesn't much matter, but interesting aspect atleast to me.

Magnus isn't anyone but Magnus. Dagon isn't anyone but Dagon. Magnus being Dagon is an interesting thing you can pull from Fight One with some work, but I don't think it was intentional and I'm quite certain that the secret truth about Magnus is not that he became Mehrunes Dagon. So you can go with it being your own monkeytruth if you want, but it's not something with any predictive value.

Reading my post i understand that i'm more about monkey than truth. Dagoth != Dagon. I order myself to give me 20 push-ups while repeating Dagon, Dagon, Dagon.

Mr. Quimper: I quess i'm along same lines.

What about the line from Shor, son of Shortabout Magnar being killed and "replaced by mirrors". I took that to be a strong hint that something weird is going on with Magnus.

In almost every myth, Magnus abandons creation and becomes the sun. There's something going on with Magnus that hasn't been revealed, no doubt about it, but it isn't this.

Magnar, I fear, fell at sunrise and became replaced by mirrors. The other chieftains are using our forms to lead us astray.

The mirrors are trickery on Nords, to take them away from Mundus. Considering the path of the sun, falling after it rose, these mirrors appear to be the moons. The moons are man's reminder to keep fighting: the dichotomy; but if mortals continue fighting, they will be wiped from pattern.

He doesn't become the sun; his escape route does. Calling the sun "Magnus" is metaphor because Mganus is the One Who Abandoned.

That is Dagon, not Magnus, but just another mirror.