Dremora/Daedra and Mortals

Post » Mon May 30, 2011 11:41 am

Do we know if it is possible for Daedra, like Dremora, to mate with mortals and sire children? Are they really capable of emotion or feelings such as love?
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Jose ordaz
 
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Post » Wed May 25, 2011 6:33 am

Do we know if it is possible for Daedra, like Dremora, to mate with mortals and sire children? Are they really capable of emotion or feelings such as love?

I remember reading they have respect for some mortals because they don't fear death or something.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Battlespire:Spirit_of_the_Daedra

But as for child procreation, I don't know. Maybe someone here knows.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 4:25 pm

I remember reading they have respect for some mortals because they don't fear death or something.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Battlespire:Spirit_of_the_Daedra

But as for child procreation, I don't know. Maybe someone here knows.


Thanks! that really helps me with the mind set.

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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 5:58 pm

The only thing I know is Vivec with Molag Bal, but I'd say that doesn't count.

I'm going to go with the baby making book, and say not possible/unknown until something is known. However, it is wholly possible to have six with a daedroth.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 5:32 pm

Molag Bal and Vivec sired a race of creature things, but that's also just... well it involves Vivec.

Also Umaril's father is said to be an Et'ada while his mother is an aylied.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 1:12 pm

According to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny there are recorded cases of intercourse between (lesser) daedra and mortals, but it is unknown if such a union can produce offspring.

..I did always think Xivilai were hawt..
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Post » Wed May 25, 2011 8:14 am

Ah excellent, so it could be possible, so theres no evidence saying that it couldn't happen leaves a little breathing room. I have another question as well! What would the Daedra think of the Aedra? same Dremora, would he revear them or respect them as greater spirits? or do the lesser Daedra hold a grudge?
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 9:39 pm

Ah excellent, so it could be possible, so theres no evidence saying that it couldn't happen leaves a little breathing room. I have another question as well! What would the Daedra think of the Aedra? same Dremora, would he revear them or respect them as greater spirits? or do the lesser Daedra hold a grudge?


The Daedra and Aedra are not really like higher/ lower, the difference is more like they are siblings who are estranged because one group doesnt agree with the life choices of the other.
I dont think they would hold each other in high regard but I dont think there is open hostility or war between them.

The lesser daedra are denizens of the various planes of Oblivion, just as the men and mer are denizens of Tamriel.
Tamriel is of the Aedra, Oblivion of the Daedra.
Since the Aedra are bound to the mundus because they gave parts of themselves to make it I dont think the lesser daedra would think much of them at all, as they live in a plane that the Aedra have no dominion over.
Possibly they have contempt for them, but not respect and I cant think of a reason they would hold a grudge.
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Post » Wed May 25, 2011 7:02 am

I dont think they would hold each other in high regard but I dont think there is open hostility or war between them.

In certain circumstances there is definitely documented hostility between certain parties though. Molag Bal created vampires in mockery of Arkay. And, the obvious example, Akatosh fought off Dagon.

Since you ask about Dremora specifically, I'm certain the Dremora would not hold the Aedra in high regards and would probably feel quite bitter toward them. Since Akatosh/Alduin not only banished Dagon back to Oblivion, but was also the one responsible for turning him from Leaper King to Dagon, I can safely say that Dremora would hold a special hatred for Akatosh specifically.

Which isn't to say they would not recognize the power of Akatosh and the Aedra.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 8:06 pm

Does this mean that the dremora used to be leaper demons and turned dremora when the leaper king became Dagon?
Similar to how the Chimer became Dunmer or how a tribe of Aldmer became Orsimer?
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 4:54 pm

Well from the USEP it says the Dremora often serve the powerful, and not always Dagon, but thats just the USEP so idk how much weight that carries. Would you think that Akatosh being able to defeat Mehrunes would garner some favor?
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 10:07 pm

Does this mean that the dremora used to be leaper demons and turned dremora when the leaper king became Dagon?
Similar to how the Chimer became Dunmer or how a tribe of Aldmer became Orsimer?

The thought has occurred to me, and it seems possible.
I don't know enough to say, however.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 12:52 pm

It should be noted that the Dunmer believe, incorrectly, that they are descended from the Daedra.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 3:46 pm

thought of another question. Dremora forged their weapons and armor with a piece of their soul right? (or maybe I just made that up) could it be possible for one to teach that to a mortal?
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 11:58 pm

thought of another question. Dremora forged their weapons and armor with a piece of their soul right? (or maybe I just made that up) could it be possible for one to teach that to a mortal?

Basically when you summon/bind a weapon by magic that's exeactly what you do: you call forth a deadra and force it in the shape of a weapon.
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Post » Mon May 30, 2011 5:49 pm

So they don't actually make their weapons with a part of them then? Its just when you summon/bind a weapon that you force a daedra into a weapon?
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Post » Wed May 25, 2011 9:56 am

That Molag Bal "tries to upset the bloodlines of Houses or otherwise ruin Dunmeri 'purity'" would suggest that daedra are in some way capable of interacting with mortals reproductively (unless you want to restrict this to Dunmer alone with their 'daedric ancestry')...
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Post » Wed May 25, 2011 9:04 am

So they don't actually make their weapons with a part of them then? Its just when you summon/bind a weapon that you force a daedra into a weapon?

That's what I always thought what happened, I did however reread Darkest Darkness and I saw this, which suggests it's the Daedra Lords that choose the form of the lesser daedra.

Likewise, lesser entities bound by their Daedra Lords into weapons and armor may be summoned for brief periods, or may persist indefinitely, so long as they are not destroyed and banished. The class of bound weapons and bound armors summoned by Temple followers and conjurors are examples of short-term bindings; Daedric artifacts like Mehrunes Razor and the Mask of Clavicus Vile are examples of long-term bindings.


I'm pretty sure I've also read that the summoner is the one who forces the daedra into it's shape, but I have no idea where that would have been, I can't find a source for it. Maybe it was just an idea of someone here on the forums.
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