How do you know they have genitals?

Well, there is partial daedra nudity in Battlespire.

I wouldn't exactly classify mammary glands as genitalia, as they aren't the bits used in reproduction, per se.

Building off your theory for why many lesser daedra choose humaniod forms and physiology, perhaps the reason for the, ah, female upper nudity is that the daedra wants to convey the concept of "beauty" (mix that with ego and you get vanity, I suppose), and often the mortal concept of beauty of form includes the beauty of the female and male forms. I have yet to see an obese, slobbering, flatulent lesser daedra.

Ogrim? Admittedly, they're Malacath's favored ones, and Malacath's idea of beauty is not yours or mine.

:lol: I'd forgotten about that guy. He's not fat, he's big-boned!

:P

What I meant was something vile, corpulent, and repulsive. While "large," the Ogrim has a certain functionality to his weight, and he isn't malformed, etc.

you mean except for having moobs and looking like his legs should shatter from his sheer weight?

Okay. Not based on anything really but my own wild speculations and rampant misinterpretations but.

A Prince's plane is basically just an extension of them selves. So everything in it is part of them. The lesser deadra are spirits that exist in the Void but lack the "mass? energy? Machismo?" whatever to form their own plane.

So they just float in the void in a paradox of existing just enough to realize they don't exist. Which would svck. So they cut a deal with a Prince they become part of the Prince's sphere basically part of the Prince. They serve as an extension of their lords will the Prince gets bigger more powerful can send little people places it couldn't other wise go. In return the lesser deadra get a concept of space and time.

Now as part of the Prince's plane they have to be whatever the Prince wants them to be. If their lucky they can get to be something nice, a Golden Saint, Dark Seducer or Dremora if not a Scamp or really unlucky an axe. But it beats being nothing. Sure they can change allegiance but only if some other Price will offer a better deal.

So can they have six? Yes if and only if their Prince wants them to. They need a system to replenish them selves Sheogorath used chimes and fountains another Price might go with six. It seems that was Lorkan's style.

Now do they hate mortals? I think hate is the wrong word. To the lesser deadra the goal is to please your Prince and get a nicer existence. Everything else is competition for your lords favor. Mortals are wacky unpredictable competition who (worse yet) fascinate the boss, who (completely unfair) can quit if they want to, but (lucky) don't come back if you hack them to pieces.

Quick question i've been wondering about for a while, do elytra, gnarl, grummites, etc. count as daedra?

I am fairly certain I once heard them described as pets/animal daedra once, however I can't remember the source of this at all..

But it would seem to make sense... at least kind of.

I dunno. They don't seem like lesser daedra... maybe they were creatures from a previous era that Sheo gathered up and took home with him?

I think Grummites are out by the very fact that they reproduce and go through an egg/infancy/adolescence stage. Very different from the lesser Daedra, who get cast into the waters of the void and are reborn when they eventually swim their way back.
For the Elytra, I can't really remember too much about them; it's been a while since I last played SI, and I stuck mostly to Dementia on my last playthrough.
However, with Gnarls, their unique relationship with the root system that is intricately connected to the structure of the realm and of Sheo lends a bit more credence to the idea. Though all three appear to lack chimes or chime equivalents and have no evidence of going through the same process of death that Daedra do.

Elytra reproduce the old fashioned way wasps do. Grimmites lay eggs and have a tadpole stage. So they're mortals, just not native to Mundus.

This is the way the daedric realms were explained to me. If this is the case, one of two things must be true:

1) The Grummites, Elytra, Bloodgrass, etc, are all daedra, be it that they are part of the prince or among his lesser daedric servants.

2) The Grummites, Elytra, Bloodgrass, etc, are mortal, which means that the daedric princes have parts of themselves which are not immortal. Or, I suppose, you could say that the daedric prince creates conditions for life to exist upon/within themselves.



I don't think just because they go through different stages means that they aren't daedra. Were we not just talking about forms, and the possibility that Golden Saints/Dark Seducers choose a male or female form depending upon their rank?

The possibility that Grummites have a hierarchy that is based and ordered upon the time spent serving Sheogorath, revealed by their current form, isn't so far off. I think we could also possibly see daedric jealousy of mortals by looking at it this way. For example, Grummites new in Sheogorath's realm take small, more animalistic form. However, Grummites with seniority (longest time spent in Shivering Isles) are allowed to take a much more anthropomorphic form.

Yes, but forms and hierarchies are rather different from forced cycles of birth and death. It remains that Daedra are not born, whether that be in the mammalian sense or the reptilian sense, whereas Grummites are spawned from eggsacs. Further, if the Grummites really are Daedra that serve the whims of Sheogorath, then where are their equivalents of chimes to call them back from the waters of Oblivion when their spirits have been banished?

Curiously, the Grummites have a notable interest in the order crystals in the ruins. Given Jyggalag's history of employing mortal servants, I can't help but wonder if he has something to do with them, despite the fact that in recent history, the Forces of Order slaughtered the Grummites.

Could a Daedra be like Zeus and take the form of anything to have six with a mortal woman?

Daedric princes can take any form they wish.

:blink:

Uhh... there's no reason for a Daedric Prince to want to do that. It's like a human wanting to have six with an ant or a grasshopper - why?

Depending on how seriously you take it, the Sixteen Accords of Madness make mention of Malacath and"http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/sebooksixteenaccordsofmadness.shtml.

There are some strange people out there, strange people with strange desires..... Is it so hard to assume that daedra couldn't have equally strange and unnatural feelings towards mortals?

Never met Sanguine, have you?

There's no tunnel he won't explore.

Why would that make you shudder? The seven deadly sins are pretty well known to all, and it shares a lot of tenets with other religions/moral values anyway.

I don't think they would need to reproduce since they don't actually "die", but are recast into the ether to be recycled like old newspaper. Outside of the taunting aspects, I'd think the Dremora in the Temple would be happy not to have been thrown back. I assume they could for pleasure, I guess, but that would be assuming they have the right organs for that. And, from a Creator viewpoint, "If they don't need to reproduce to continue the population, why would I give them anything related to six?"

Molag Bal? He IS the King of [censored] after all. Oh, and there's Sanguine as well.

I don't think they're Daedra. It's like how the Ogres are Malacath's "children". It's the same kind of deal, I think.

Werewolves and Vampires aren't Daedra either, but they're still the respective creations of Hircine and Molag Bal.

Of course, those are all creatures found in Tamriel. And as far as we know, Elytra and Grummites aren't- though they could be former Bosmer turned into insane monsters during the Wild Hunt or something. Gnarls especially seem to fit with the Bosmer's shtick, being trees and all.

fixed. Daedra can't create because all but Merida are Padomaic. and Meridia might not even be a Daedra techincaly: what with being Magnus's daughter and all. But they could be any living creature that wondered into their realm and the daedra used their awesome uber powers to go "poof" your now an Elytra.